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The Arrest of Mahmoud Khalil

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by JuanValdez, Mar 10, 2025.

  1. Kim

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    Great post. This is definitely a due process violation imo. How much process is due? And what if the government argues that they don't want to put him in prison, they just want to deport him. Deportation requires detainment. Maybe notice is due, but that can be detrimental to apprehension. Setting aside that this is terrible from a policy and moral perspective, Congress did pass a law with enormously powerful deportation authority given to the executive branch.
     
  2. Nook

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    Are we really to the point of having to investigate the students at our top universities....

    Don't we have enough other people we are investigating or are investigating us around the globe.

    All of this is very tiring.
     
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  3. durvasa

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    Yeah.

    I find the clauses there relating to deportability due to support for "terrorist activity" to be very open to interpretation. It defines "terrorist activity" as including unlawful assassinations and use of explosives to harm one or more individuals. So based on that, there are people on this forum who have openly endorsed and supported "terrorism" (by Israel) and are therefore subject to deportation if they aren't citizens and if the Secretary of States deems it to be important to our foreign policy interests.

    There is a clause in there that someone can be deported for "support" of a "terrorist organization". What counts as "support"? And nevermind that there is no consistent principled standard for designating a group as a "terrorist organization".

    Putting "support for terrorism" aside, apparently a non-citizen can be deported simply if the Secretary of State has "reasonable ground" to believe them remaining in the US poses a "serious adverse foreign policy consequence". By this, a non-citizen who was prominent in organizing anti-war protests in the Bush era could have been deported.

    You're right that it appears this code could be used to justify their actions. I still find it an appalling attack on free speech as a principle, all the more galling that it is being done by people who put stuff like this out: Restoring Freedom Of Speech And Ending Federal Censorship – The White House
     
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    What was that about weaponization of the justice department?
     
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    Who knows.

    Maybe it's the American wife and baby on the way that makes this story particularly delightful to him.
     
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    I'm not convinced there are 5 votes for the crazy unitary executive theory argument but it seems like they'll just pursue a revocation of green card and a deportation under national security grounds. Assuming this case gets moved back to New York, I think ICE and the Trump admin probably shot themselves in the foot with their public statements on this. They've already stated publicly that he didn't break any laws so they're clearly trying to revoke his green card under national security grounds. Maybe they'll find some social media posts or text messages where he sympathized with Hamas and use that to justify it but I dont think they were planning on claiming that the AG (who can revoke green cards today in cases where the AoS was fraudulent) has unlimited authority to take away LPR status. I think they're hunting for evidence to present to a court and once they find it, they'll give him his notice to appear.
     
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    This dude was harassing the Jewish kids and siding with Hamas
    Hamas is a terrorist group
    Those people kidnapped and killed Americans
    And they still have American hostages
    @CrixusTheUndefeatedGaul
    @Salvy
    To celebrate I’m gonna eat a pastrami sandwich on rye bread
    @basso
     
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    He wants the river to the sea
    We gave him the Mississippi
     
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    What laws did he break?
     
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    They said he was arrested for activities (i.e. protests demanding university breaks ties with Israel) that are “aligned” with Hamas. Claiming one is “aligned” with an organization doesn’t make them part of that organization.

    Did he harass students according to whether they are Jewish or not? If so, please provide the evidence.

    Did he even defend violence against Israeli citizens? If so, again please provide the evidence.

    The fact that a legal, permanent resident can be arrested and whisked away to a detention facility in another state without an actual charge based on a activities that are protected for you (I assume) and me by the Constitution should send a chill to anyone who cares about civil liberties.
     
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    Why do woke people love bad people? *ck that guy for promoting terrorism.....
     
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    I’m still waiting for someone to point out instances of him “promoting terrorism”. Why aren’t officials defending this leading with that?
     
  19. jo mama

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    remember when orange jabba took office he said he wanted to "outsource" our prison system to other countries.

    now with this move he seems to be setting the state for arresting people for exercising their first amendment rights.

    transman is claiming that he "was harassing the Jewish kids and siding with Hamas" and that kemahkeith person said he was blocking students from going to class. that is not what the government is claiming that he was arrested for and they have offered no proof to back up their claims that he was a hamas supporter.
     
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    1. They moved him to Louisiana to get "Their kind of judges" - Which should be illegal . ..and I think it is
    but they don't beleive in legal and illegal . .there is legal and EXTRA-LEGAL (what ever the king says)

    2. I think eventually some of these folx will end up in Guantanamo
    or some similar black site where they will disappear people

    Rocket River
     

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