I see someone posted an article about him in another thread, but I'm so pissed about it I figured it deserved it's own thread. Here's part of an article to level-set: Khalil isn't here on a student visa. He's a permanent resident. Free speech rights aren't limited by your visa status, but it's even more galling for the feds to go after someone who should feel secure in his place here without so much as getting an indictment to court. Even if he did support a terrorist organization (which is unlikely), the government's remedy with a permanent resident is to get a conviction and a sentence, never deportation. Trump Admin knows they couldn't get any conviction on this guy because he hasn't committed any federal crime, so they want to both sidestep his right to a fair trial and impinge on his right to free speech. This is a horrific abuse of power. I would hope - and expect in normal times - for a judge to quickly throw this thing out and chew out the guys who brought it to his courtroom. But I'm dismayed that I don't have confidence that will happen. Maybe, but who knows anymore. I halg expect to hear about 'novel legal theories' that make it not as clearcut as you would think, and other bs.
From a principles standpoint, yes, free speech rights should be for all in the US. From an originalist standpoint, there can be a good faith argument about how the Bill of Rights was only meant to be applicable towards citizens, incorporated via the 14th, and how everyone else in the country gets due process rights. As for the deportation efforts against this guy, they are probably in bad faith. I do remember reading accounts at Columbia of harassment of students on their way to class, yelling at them to go back to Poland. I remember protestors breaking down library doors (maybe that wasn't Columbia). I think Columbia went virtual for Jewish students just so that they could attend classes safely. So there is a legit legal argument to be made that if he helped lead protests that violated the rights of Jewish students, then you could have enough due process and still find that the US government could deport him.
What exactly did he do? The bar for deportation can’t simply be organizing a protest that is sympathetic to Palestinians and their actions against Israelis.
If you just read accounts understand there is driven effort by organizations like the Apartheid Defense League using bad faith arguments to label incidents as antisemitic. A lot of "incidents" on campus were instigated by bad faith actors. We live in a society where the ADL doesn't care about the world's wealthiest man doing a Nazi salute and telling ri8ght wing Germans to "not feel guilty" about Germany's past which just means " stop learning history of the Nazi rise and fall" and also believes that Jews conspire to make white people enemies of the public but is hyper focused on god damn college students. The absurdity of this dynamic is surreal. The ADL is a joke at this point. This is absurdity at this point. The fact that people believe that 18-22 year old college kids want to genocide Jews because they protest Israel is absurd. The fact that no one can express a desire for a end to Apartheid similar to how the Boer government was dismantled and replaced with bad faith claims labeling that desire as "wanting to eliminate all Jews" because students say stuff like " I want the Apartheid State of Israel to end" and right wing bad faith actors turn that desire into a claim of them wanting to "remove all Jews from Israel" when those students are merely asking for a one state solution where every individual in the region has equal rights and representation. People who believe Palestinians are inherently barbaric believe this can't happen because Palestinians will immediately exterminate all Jews from the region as soon as they gain equal representation. Which btw is a argument used by every oppressor in history it seems like. We can't free the slaves because they will violently kill us all. We can't allow Black South Africans take over the government because they will murder and rape all the white people. If people learned about Israel's love for white superracist states like Apartheid South Africa and Roneshia they wouldn't be so comfortable defending Israel all the time. They saw a kinship with those countries and systems.
This goes back to the debates over citizenship in the reconstruction era. I'm going to do a deep dive course on that next year, so my summer is full of planned reading. The idea of citizens being guaranteed rights due to the 14th could be argued as fringe, but's rooted in the text and original meaning, stuff that this SCOTUS eats up because it has Meese and Bork influence all over it. In short, post civil-war America intended to bind states from infringing on rights in the Bill of Rights, something that previously only applied to the federal government, but exactly what all these rights will be was up for debate. Some said it was just what's in the Bill of Rights, while others said it was more than that and to be determined. But, that was only intended for citizens, per the wording of the 14th. Modern jurisprudence that confers free speech protections for corporations (like not being able to regulate campaign spending) isn't rooted in originalism, if this citizen protection were interpreted this way. It leaves all persons protected only with due process, originally meaning things like the right to see a lawyer, a judge, face your accuser, jury trial, etc. But that part of constitutional rights has changed greatly too, evolving into things from the right to parent to the right to gay marriage. Anyhow, this is not the world we currently live in, and I don't know if it's the world we should live in as the downsides are probably worse than the upsides. But a lot of "is it legal" depends on how you interpret the constitution.
I'm not an expert on the ADL. Your argument is that the Jewish Anti-Defamation League is actually an absurd Apartheid Defense League? I'm not saying you're wrong, but many sane people probably disagree with you. I do know that Musk has sued the ADL himself, so I'm not sure they're buddies. Anyhow, from what I recall, what happened at Columbia went beyond 1st Amendment exercise and leaned towards abuse of Jewish students, per reporting of Jewish students. I don't know. I wasn't there. I'm guessing there was a variation of abuse from the government, the protestors, and whoever based on where the protest was.
@Os Trigonum @CrixusTheUndefeatedGaul @Salvy They’ll never deport Wonder Woman Breh Cause she is about truth and justice go Israel !!
The ADL literally tweeted not to judge Musk on his Nazi salute by literally denying it being a Nazi salute. This was months AFTER he already said "you are saying the truth" to a tweet about how Jews are conspiring to hate white people. Ask yourself if a brown 19 year old college kid with a keffiyeh doing a Heil Hitler would get the same benefit of the doubt as he worlds wealthiest man. Now if Elon was a vocal detractor of Israel's ethnic cleansing bet your ass there would be no benefit of the doubt. Understand this. The ADL tabulates and reports on "hate incidents" of antisemitism. They have recorded almost every instance of a college kid saying "Palestinian will be free from the river to the sea" as a hate incident and don't have Elon's heil Hitler incident. The ADL's raison d'etre is literally the defense of the state of Israel. The ADL has concentrated more efforts on smearing leftist Pro-Palestinian twitch streamers as antisemitic than actual right wing freaks expressing great replacement theory. It is an organization that has lost ALL credibility. At this point no... No sane person would think the ADL operates in good faith. You shouldn't guess on things. Israel is an extension of the US State department. That means the state will suppress activism that goes against one of its vassal states. We saw this even under the Biden regime who literally called these college kids terrorists. This country's leadership is unhinged for Israel.
This is what happens when you have a KING To be fair. . .they also believe 18-22 years old know more about the government systems than people working in it for 40 years People who believe the Palestinians will immediately exterminate the Jews. . .are the same ones that fear retaliation from black folx for the evil their ancestors visited on black folx in the past Rocket River
The whole point of free speech is that it’s a fundamental right, not something that only certain people get to have. That’s not just an American idea either - it’s an older concept that has been central to the fight against authoritarianism. Politically, this administration has positioned itself as a defender of free speech, even to the extent of arguing that Nazis should have free speech in Germany (as Vance has). So it’s a serious contradiction for them to claim to champion free speech while cracking down on it here. As for whether harassment or violations of others' rights could justify deportation, that depends on what rights we’re talking about. Immigration law does lay out specific grounds for revoking permanent residency, and the closest applicable argument here seems to be labeling this as a terrorist activity. They’re clearly making that claim in public, but I don’t think it holds up legally. From what I’ve seen, terrorism-related deportations typically require actual evidence of support for a designated terrorist group, not just leading protests - unless they’re trying to stretch some vague material support statute in a way that would be legally questionable. But this goes beyond just political speech. The idea of different fundamental rights for citizens versus legal residents has massive political, societal, and economic consequences. Are we really that "shining city on a hill," or are we pushing legal residents down into a second-tier status? And honestly, this isn’t surprising. As I said before the election, this administration was never going to stop at just illegal immigrants - they were always going to go after legal immigrants too.
I may not approve of what people have to say, but I will defend their right to say it. We let neo-Nazi groups march. We let those crazy's from Westboro Church march. What I do not condone is the fact that he was blocking students from being able to attend class. Thats different. That is breaking the law. Is it a deportable offense, I do not think so, but I'm not the one making the "New Rules" People become more radical in beliefs, the more we discount what they say. Again, I love my country and do not agree with him. But that's OK. If all Americans thought the same way, there would be no D&D
Students talking over a building in protest is something done routinely with protests over wars. This literally happened all the time in Vietnam. To think that deserves deportation is absurd. Learn the first thing about student protests.
Get over it - this is how it is now and this is who people voted for. Say - "Juan Valdez", what is your immigration status.... we already know you are are a Muslim lover. Do you have your papers? Don't worry, we won't go after American born minorities now, only later.
God you are a moron. What I do not condone is the fact that he was blocking students from being able to attend class. Thats different. That is breaking the law. Is it a deportable offense, I do not think so, but I'm not the one making the "New Rules" Direct quote you idiot Go back to the kids table where you belong. You are actually dumber than I thought. Or do you choose not to read but react when you see my dog in the Avitar. Because when I see your Poo Bear, I know if I read it I'm going to be just a little bit dumber for doing so. I will be awaiting you next uber thick and stupid salvo.
