Going back to the beginning of this thread - the Tesla Takedown protests are starting to get bigger Tesla sales (esp in Europe) cratering & Tesla's brand is now toxic among non edgelords - even the mainstream media is noticing (one of dozens of articles on this) https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tesla-sales-elon-musk-reputation-brand-damage-trump-doge/ Tesla's share price has - accordingly been in free fall (still trading at a ridiculously overvalued pe ratio for a shitty car company - glad I bought the puts) Keep it up - this weakens them.
Did y’all see these weak pathetic fools holding up a bunch of signs saying “lies” and “false” during Trump’s speech? loser Hakeem Jeffries before the speech these are the weakest, most spineless group of people in existence Who wants to fight or vote for people this pathetic and weak? yeah, let’s hold up signs…that’ll show em Wtf are we supposed to do with that?
al green stood up and tried but he got kicked out. the whole dems should have walked out of the speech to leave them a half empty room.
the way i see it, Elon doesn't care about Tesla anymore. he's already making more money by doing illegal shiet with DOGE.
The most disruptive thing that could have been done if the Democrats had any spine would be to time these distributions every 3 minutes and having each Democrat get kicked out one by one. It would derail the whole speech. And if Congress wants to censure every Democrat congress person let them and make it a badge of honor.
House Democratic leadership is privately confronting members who disrupted President Trump's speech to Congress, Axios has learned. In meetings and discussions with leadership this week, Democrats who heckled, walked out in protest or were otherwise disruptive were given a talking to about their tactics, sources said. What we're hearing: Leadership is "very unhappy" with those who went beyond traditional protest tactics like outfit coordination and refusal to clap, a senior House Democrat told Axios.
Green was censured by the Republican-led House in a 224-198 vote Thursday morning.Ten Democrats joined all Republicans in backing the resolution. Green and one other Democrat voted present.
Rep. Chrissy Houlahan (D., Pa.), one of the Democrats who voted to censure Green on Thursday, said she told Johnson it was hypocritical for Republicans to not face similar consequences for their outbursts. “At some point this foolishness has to stop, and we have to hold each other accountable and we can’t be picking and choosing” who gets disciplined, she said. “Rules are rules.” these pathetic losers still don’t get it…republicans don’t care about rules, they don’t care about hypocrisy while u spineless weaklings hold onto norms and decorum, u continue to get stepped on and pushed around bunch of losers
There's a big disconnect, a bunch of dope political consultants tell Democrats to "figure out what voters want and then say you're in favor of that" Our politics don't work like that now, who knows if it ever did. The reality is, most poeple don't have strongly held policy preferences about ANYTHING, and they'll change them based on the wording of the question or the time of day. In reality a lot of people have preferences that are GIVEN to them by their party group - you think anybody actually gave a **** about the tiny .0001 % of transgender athelets in women's NCAA? Nope. But years of hitting that drum has turned it into a signal & herding mechanism for right wingers. You can GIVE people their policy preferences if you signal to them that's what it takes to be in your group. it's about forming an IDENTITY/tribal affiliation/etc with somebody who you think is fighting for you. Compromising with Trump or giving in to his bullying or any of this bullshit doens't win you centrist voters, they DON'T EXIST - see the whole "liz cheney" BS, or name-checking Ronald Reagan. Ronald Reagan has been dead for 20+ years. People don't care anymore.
Let's be honest - the Democrats have basically been an unorganized and drifting mess for the last 45 years..... the only reason they have any relevance is that Bill Clinton and Barack Obama emerged and the party had no choice but to largely fall behind them. So now the Democrats are looking for another leader and another direction.... I don't like him - but Josh Shapiro has been spending money on advertisements..... Pritzker has been taking a prominent role in countering Trump in the Midwest, everyone's favorite soulless politician, Gavin Newsome has been peeling back some of his more radical positions..... John Fetterman has basically holed himself up in a bunker and cherry pick when to comment... and AOC is starting to take more of a leadership role. Bernie Sanders has arguably been the best and most outspoken - and does very well countering Trump but he is just so old. So take your pick - or maybe it will be someone else.
I think modern politics is just devoid of any sense of sincerity amongst the political elite in both parties. This can't be any more explicitly expressed by which the DNC develops rhetorical talking points through consulting, focus groups etc rather than becoming popular through sincere convictions. The likes of Harris and Biden are products of this type of rhetorical engagement with the public where every stance they express sounds like it was focus group tested. Eventually this leads people to believe these people don't believe in anything besides maintaining their power and status. And then we get to this paradoxical existence where the man who can't express a truthful statement even if his life depended on it is seen as genuine and sincere by a large percentage of the American public. Truthfulness of rhetoric isn't important. The appearance of sincerity is important and Trump does that better than any politician on the Democrat side outside Democrats who do not have genuine chances at advancing as the leaders of the party like Bernie or AOC because their sincere principles harms the bottom lines of the likes of Hakeem Jeffries. When I hear AOC or Bernie I don't hear someone expressing thoughts that are developed through consulting and beta testing in focus groups. Same with Trump. I hear sincere thoughts.
The good news is that they have time to find the next person, the gop was a mess this time 4 years ago. I don't think it can be a person like Gavin Newsome, he is to slick and is from California. I like the approach Fetterman has taken, he keeps telling his folks do not freak out every time trump does something, it makes it seem like the boy who cried wolf, it becomes noise after a while. Focus on the economy and the low and middle class, kind of the "here is how it started" and "here is where we are". I would have a running chart on what things are going up and hammer on programs like snap............one thing I did like about Newsome recently was saying that men playing girls sports is unfair, I agree, doesn't mean I think you can't be trans, but its not fair. I had high hopes for Jeffries, but he needs to be more assertive
Democrats are going to continue to lose unless they create enemies for the public to get angry at like the GOP does successfully all the time. The next Democrat politician who successfully replaced trans people and migrants with landlords and corporate executives as the enemy of the people is the next Democrat that will win a general election. The cost of living crisis means there is a lot of anger. The GOP provide outlets to dump that anger at something. Democrats are like "but the institutions!". Hakeem Jeffries will never be that dude. He believes in "good billionaires". The era of neo-liberal politics winning general elections is over.
I'm hosting a sit-in tomorrow afternoon across the street from Marble Falls City Hall. Luckily the cheese shop is next door to the beer garden, so we won't get hungry.
This. Top tier politicians should be organic. They may be wealthy, or even weak on substance - but they have to have an ability to resonate, connect and have the pulse of the majority of the American people. Right now the Democrats are completely devoid of that at the executive level, and at the top of the congressional level. The Democrats would do far better having more involvement and inclusion of "normal" people, not all career politicians or people that were grown in a lab in Harvard. Some of it is subtle and perhaps silly - but for example, Obama and Sanders both will roll their sleeves up at times, and both did not run from the voters or media.... Clinton inherently understood a lot of Americans.
Shapiro and Pritzker, sure I guess…Pritzker isn’t bad Gavin Newsome is basically white male Kamala shifting his positions depending on where the wind blows…he’s not winning a national election nor is republican-lite John Fetterman slim pickings for sure right now…the primaries will be very interesting I seriously think that if John Stewart decided to run, he’d blow all these Democrats out the water
AOC has a primed hate narrative for the past near decade against her on conservative leaning media. But in terms of ability to express sincere rhetoric she probably is the best the Democrats got right now. But I understand her electability might have issues due to things like her gender, ethnicity and the label of extreme leftist. She would have to do a lot of face to face town hall type meetings in rural conservative places where she can sincerely engage with normal conservative people to organically change that perception. She is really good in those type of settings where she is just talking to a voter.
