The “give me Harden over FVV” takes are embarrassing

Not sure this is going to quite hold true in today's league when there's so much more parity and so many teams doing load management and not really caring about seeding as much.

But yeah we're not contenders this season regardless. We probably won't have the best player in any playoff series, and most of our rotation has no playoff experience whatsoever.

 

Neither FVV or Harden should be relevant for this team in 5 years
Honestly. . . Neither should be relevant in 2 yrs
Our NEXT PG needs to be on the bench and learning in the next year or 2
ready to take over

Rocket River

 

My biggest nightmare is that we welcome Harden back with open arms and he leads us to the finals, only to completely shlt the bed in a game 7 loss at the Toyota Center.

 

EXACTLY! FVV is the right guy, for now, but he isn't the future.

If we have the next Harden on the bench right now, they have to develop ...which doesn't magically happen at year 5. That development starts now. I think the combination of Udoka and FVV creates the right culture to enable the talent to develop.

Harden is a win-now guy but this team isn't gonna win now.

Remember Harden's famous quote "I am the system".
Remember David Carr, who got thrown to the wolves, was effectively useless because he wasn't developed properly.

 

Tyus Jones is a free agent. Just get him with the MLE or trade for Jose Alvarado. Pick up Fred's option and be opportunistic, either trade him for a star this offseason OR at the next deadline OR let him walk and use the cap space the following offseason to go after somebody in 2026 free agency which looks like it should have at least a few legit all-stars including several point guards (Trae Young?).

 

I take that scenario right now. Finals game 7 loss is still a Finals appearance.

 

The funny thing is that as the season has progressed the "sleeper" contenders like the Lakers and Nuggets have climbed and the "fake" contenders like us and the Grizzlies have fallen so the end of the year standings might actually reflect contender status really well. I guess the lesson is that mid season standings don't really mean all too much and teams tend to show who they really are through the 82 game sample size.

 

Well . . .Lakers did get a late Christmas gift

Rocket River

 

are you Nico or Dumont?

 

Been waking up angry every day for almost a month now. Nico has to be investigated. And it had to be one of my favorite prospects of all time too.

 

Overpaying FVV instead of signing a future first ballot hall of famer on a cheaper deal is another one of Stone & Ime’s bad decisions. Too much incompetence going on within this organization. I don’t trust these dudes to transform into a true contender.

 

Harden at his worst is still better than fvv at his best.

 

Facts, he would’ve been the perfect Pg for this team

 

Have you checked the standings recently? FVV is calling scoreboard.

 

So Harden is Better than Devin Booker.......that would be an interesting discussion.

 

Rockets have a better record than the Bucks.

Stone : FVV and Sengun for Dame and Giannis?

Horst : Are you ****ing high?

Stone : I’m calling scoreboard.

 

Imagine Ime Udoka on the Bucks coaching Giannis.

That Defense would be stifling.

Giannis has never had an elite defensive coach for a long time....Bud, Griffin, Doc.....not it.

 

Great post.

The people who want Harden now are exactly the kind of people who would trade Harden right before he becomes a star.

We've suffocated our core's efficiency with horrible spacing for 3.5+ years now, anyone who thinks our players wouldn't look better offensively on 15-20 other teams is in for a rude awakening. The ONLY guy who's efficiency hasn't struggled from it is Amen and that's only because he's willing to sometimes take fewer than 10 attempts - not a luxury we can afford with Green and Sengun who have to take those shots.

Harden has a poor work ethic and he's declining rapidly. He's 39% from the field and 34% from 3. Doesn't play defense and our PG in this defense is responsible for helping protect the rim protector.

FVV is being asked to play off ball and his response was that he doesn't mind it. Never in a million years will you hear that from Harden. He's been a perfect mentor for us and his guaranteed contract is ending at the perfect time.

Thank god Udoka blocked Harden. He can come when he cares so much about us that he'll give us a massive discount. If it's just business, there are better things we can do with $30-40m per season.

 

Huh? Try to stay on topic. At least let's stick with apples. We were discussing PGs.

If Harden is such a superior PG, why is his team struggling?

 

The point was, I thought, pretty clearly on topic.

It’s completely possible for a superior player(s) to be on a worse team(record wise).

Rockets minus FVV and Clippers minus Harden are not the same level of teams.

Struggling in relation to the rest of the league, maybe, but not struggling at all based on preseason expectations. Most had LAC clearly out of the playoff picture this season because of their lower level of overall talent and Kawhi being out and the expectation that when he was back he would not be anywhere near his usual superstar self for most of the season.

I actually think Harden’s season has been pretty mediocre overall, strong start but pretty poor for the most part lately. Probably only better than his rookie and sophomore seasons. His shooting from the floor is pretty bad and his overall efficiency is way below his normal.

But again the point of my post was that using team record alone as your proof that one player is better than another on a completely different team is a very weak argument.