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DOGE having access to government agencies is illegal

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by DaDakota, Feb 3, 2025.

  1. deb4rockets

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    So you agree he shouldn't use his entitled position he got for giving Trump over a quarter billion dollars to take a single dollar for government contracts for his own personal businesses off our tax dollars then, right? My guess is that he will reap billions for himself from government contracts instead of using the money determined "waste" for more staffing at VA hospitals, making healthcare affordable for all, or other things more important than Musk's personal businesses.
     
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    Love the gif.

    Please tell me why if the Establishment on both sides of the isle haven't tried to curtail waste and fraud?
     
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    How much has he made so far that he wouldn't have already made off of contracts already signed off on by the Biden admin?
     
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    I'll update you in 5 months. He's already trying to reap billions off an FAA contract, and my guess is there will be many more billions coming to him than ever before. Don't be naive. He has his eyes on all contracts, financials, competitors, and has insider information, which is already a conflict of interest. Then he has a President bought and paid for to reward him back. It's shady and crooked as hell. It's not so much about saving money as it is him deciding priorities should go to funding his numerous businesses with money, instead of being used for veterans, meteorologists, health research, science research, climate change, aid, FEMA, NOAA, and so on.
     
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  5. Nook

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    The gravy train is over?

    How so? I see an extension of massive tax cuts for the uber rich.

    I see elimination of consumer protections provided by the federal government.

    I see billionaires involved and dictating policy that is directly beneficial to billionaires.

    How is that stopping the gravy train.... seems like they just took the gravy train, turned it up 10X and are feeding it into the billionaire's slop pens.

    So they make massive claims of fraud and wasteful spending - outside groups look into it and discovery that it is greatly exaggerated and the claims are not fraud---- and then they have to quietly back track most of their claimed waste......

    All while at the same time cutting entitlements for normal Americans, AND increasing the deficit and budget spending and giving literally TRILLIONS of dollars in tax cuts to those making over 100 million dollars a year.

    Get out of here with the talking point that the gravy train is over.... it is bigger than it has ever been, it is just going to the super wealthy.
     
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    FUKK YOU ! DiDnT yOu SeE tHe LiTTle BlAck BoY wITH CANCER aT tHe TRUMP aDDRESS!
     
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    Biden admin earmarked 3 million for new EV cars and the first week of the Trump administration he changed that number to 400 million of worthless armored Tesla's.



    Pocketed 400 million in one transaction or 10% of all the money doge has saved.

    The billionaires are robbing America blind and the cultists think the Trump administration is fighting corruption. Braindead
     
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    Get back to me then, how many of these contracts would he have gotten had he not been asked to run DOGE? He is the number one guy when it comes to space exploration and this didn't happen under the Trump admin.
     
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    You just can't see the hypocrisy can you?
    He laughs and cheers about firing hard working middle class Americans, cutting aid for people dying, starving, or in desperate need of help. Biden didn't fire all those people and gut needed programs that helped people in need.

    You really do believe Musk gives a damn about anyone's healthcare being cut off after losing jobs, people dying because they can't afford healthcare and pay a mortgage, even working 40-60 hours a week? Do you think he gives a damn if people are poisoned by toxic fumes and chemicals after regs are cut, inspectors are gutted, and agencies meant to protect people are gutted to save billionaires like him more money? Do you think he gives a damn if people suffer during national disasters and hurricanes when agencies like FEMA are cut?

    It's his personal businesses and hobbies he wants to use billions for. He wants the taxpayer money of the working class and others who need it much more than him. The richest man in the world doesn't care about anyone else. The hypocrisy of it all is that his businesses shouldn't get a dime of money, because not only are they low on a priority list of what Americans need, it's a conflict of interest when the money goes back to him, and not the taxpayers and government.
     
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    Ask a Republican, would you rather Democrats stand up for the boy with cancer OR would you rather NOT cut funding for children's cancer?

    The Republican will obviously say, Democrats should have clapped for the little boy. All they care about is optics, thoughts, and feelings.

    :rolleyes::rolleyes:
     
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    Let's see how this turns out before passing judgement.

    I noticed that you didn't answer my question of how many contracts are in place and were put in place by the Biden administration?

    Also we look at the environmental issues quite differently.
     
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    Yeah, I've noticed how you could care less about most of the issues I care about. Biden definitely cared more about people, Democracy, civil rights, stricter gun laws, mental healthcare, affordable healthcare, infrastructure, climate change, veterans, and other issues I care about, even if they don't all affect me personally. I do alright, but see far too many hard working Americans suffer. Trump, cares about himself and his business, kind of like you. I can't stand that con and grifter, and sure as hell don't care about us buying the Gaza strip, gifting billionaires, and putting more people in harms way for the guys on top to lap it all up.
     
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    Biden cared about the family business 1st and foremost,

    I believe in personal responsibility and self reliance. If people need help I help them out. Helping them out shouldn't be the govts job. Help should come from people like us. You know, people on both sides of the isle helping out those in need. Churches/Charities etc...

    I believe in the SHALL NOT INFRINGE part of the constitution. Obviously you dont.
     
  14. deb4rockets

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    Oh please. You support a party that infringes on people's lives at every turn, whether it's their civil rights, their right to choose who they love, their right to live in an environment not spewed by toxins that endanger their lives, their right to a fair justice system, their right to not be discriminated against because of their race, gender, or religion, their right to free speech, and on and on. Republicans love infringing on other people's lives. Don't be a hypocrite.
     
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    I like less government in our lives

    BTW, on the abortion issue, there's a happy medium that can be met. 3 months, 4 months ?

    You're right though I'm not an environmentalist. If you want to go back to caveman days then good for you. I'll pass on that. The height of arrogance is thinking man can change the environment. BTW don't you wish there was a nice pipeline to run chemicals, oil through so disasters like the train derailment that happened in East Palestine Ohio could be prevented? Has Biden ever visited that town? I know Trump went there. Where was Bidens compassion?
     
  16. deb4rockets

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    I didn't mention abortion.

    No, I don't want to go back to cave man days, slavery days, or anytime when raping women, owning people, and treating them like animals was considered normal. I'm sure some do.

    As for your comment about the height of arrogance is man thinking he can change the environment. Not sure what that was about. Do you find it arrogant when people think they have a right to litter or poison the environment? The types who leave their litter on the beach, camping spot, or toss it out of their cars? The types who dump their toxic waste off their boat, or from their business near residential neighborhoods, streams, lakes, or oceans?

    I do find it arrogant when people feel their life and their business is more important than the safety and lives of others though. I do find it arrogant when someone with no science background or medical background thinks they know more about science and health than the experts. I also find it arrogant when people use their power and money to protect, coverup, or to ignore dangers they know can poison people or kill them, and not bat an eye doing it.

    Deregulation Leads To Crashed Trains And Crashed Economies

    https://nul.org/news/deregulation-leads-crashed-trains-and-crashed-economies
     
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    Man can and absolutely has changed the environment. I'm not even sure how that is a debate.

    From mass deforestation, pollution changing the air quality and poising water sources...Killing animals driving them over the edge or to the brink of extinction...ect...These are all things that "change the environment" and sometimes permanently...

    When you go outside and see a huge city, you don't think that qualifies as a change in environment?

    If you can do things that affect your organic body, why wouldn't you be able to do things that affect an organic planet earth?
     
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    he doesnt need to be bought. he is the one doing the buying. $250 million to trumps campaign.

    as has already been pointed out to you multiple times, he has massive conflicts of interest, giving himself government contracts, is eliminating departments that were tasked with regulating his businesses and is enriching himself on our money. trying to take over the FAA and have them use starlink. not to mention that he has been a massive government mooch.

    as has already been pointed out to you multiple times, this is not true. no business operates like this.

    tesla shareholders might think otherwise. also, alot of his success comes from government contracts. he is a mooch.

    the mistakes he is making are due to his own incompetence and ego. a successful businessman would not be operating the way he is, taking a chainsaw to everything and then going back and trying to fix the mess he created.

    im sure it does.

    i have to point out that in another thread you kept lying and when asked to back up your claims you said "It's my opinion, I don't need evidence" then you disappeared.
     
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    sounds like youre in favor of cutting medicaid, social security and other programs that help americans.

    you did say that you want musk to "burn the bureaucracy to the ground".
     
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    He just burnt another rocket to the ground today. Millions well spent.
     
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