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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Nov 25, 2018.

  1. heymak

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    Just for clarity, the Bradley wasn’t a Vietnam era vehicle. It came out while I was in the army in 1981. Still old but not Vietnam era.
     
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  2. CCorn

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    JFC we are being led by children.
     
  3. astros123

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    but you do have simple views. It's America is bad and everyone else is good. Palestinians have the right to attack Israel but if Ukrainians defend their land they are only doing it bcz NATO is proping then up. You have braindead ideas that are no different than MAGA.

    If you support the Palestinian people for independence you have to support Ukraine but you dont have any real ideology other than America bad.
     
  4. JHarden713

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    Why does the US need to keep paying for it? Zelenskyy needs to sign that mineral deal so some of the money can be returned on the investment, and find a way to be on good terms with Trump, because without the US he ain't got any leverage. He's not gonna get any money just because he feels entitled as he found out yesterday.
     
  5. astros123

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    Europeans have given more aid than we have. Zelenskyy said he would happily sign the mineral deal as long as they have some security guarantees. Ukraine signed a deal in 1992 which gave up their nukes for "security" from the west and we left them out to dry. How do you blame him?

    Again if you wanna claim we can't afford to give Ukraine money but at the same time we're giving a 5 trillion dollar tax cut to the top 1% is bullshit. Why does Elon and bezos feel entitled to another massive tax cut?

    This is what I dont get from the MAGA cultists @Tomstro @Salvy . They claim we can't afford to give Ukraine money but somehow have no issue with a multi trillion dollar tax cut for the ultra wealthy
     
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  6. Space Ghost

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    You know you're stupid when you keep repeating the same trash day in and day out
     
  7. JHarden713

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    Europe moves as the US does. Zelenskyy is counting on Europe (if the US is out), to continue the funding, he's about to have rude awakening.
     
  8. Tomstro

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    Europe is broke.

    Germany needs a peace deal so their entire industry doesn’t collapse.

    Europe has no collateral or energy. UK can’t even field a full battalion of men.

    Not sure how they think this plays out.
     
  9. Bandwagoner

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    You are probably right. I really miss the old Sam, that guy was feisty. This new crashed out defeatist is really depressing.
     
  10. JHarden713

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    Yep, he's not getting the territory under occupation back, he's not joining NATO, the only thing he has is to sign the mineral deal, so America can protect its investment there, and thats his guarantee that Russians won't invade again. Other than that he's outta options.
     
  11. astros123

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    I'm in Europe now and they will continue funding Ukraine for however long needs too. The world doesn't revolve around America. Get your head out of your ass. The feeling in Europe is its easier to fund Ukraine than it is to prepare for a larger scale war which they're right

    Europe is broke but somehow America which has a larger % of debt relative to GDP isn't broke....right lol

    Okay man whatever helps you sleep at night. I'm not the braindead troll who looks for twitter for guidance like you
     
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  12. Bandwagoner

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    Yes the House budget from the uniparty is insanity. Taxing and inflating your way out of this is not only impossible but also immoral.
     
  13. Bandwagoner

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    I prefer we concentrate on spending decreases and forget about tax cuts for the donor class also. How do you feel about spending?
     
  14. JHarden713

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    What country are you in? With America out that feeling will change/shift.
     
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    I'm in denmark and the entire continent is waking up to the reality America can't be trusted. The entire continent is ramping up their defense budgets and European defense stocks are on a tear as of late.

    Alot of countries are going to stop buying American military equipment and start transitioning to European firms.
     
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    And America loses its hegemony just like that...

    That's what happens when you turn your back to all your allies and cozy up with dictators.
     
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    Alot of Americans don't understand that the Europeans subsidize the American military. It was the Europeans who first purchased the F35s which helped drive down the costs per unit. It was the Europeans who first purchased the newest mechanized vehicle which again drove down costs.

    MAGATs think politics is a zero sum game. It's a two way street and countries scratch each other's back. American defense firms will lose more money in defense contracts than what we were given Ukraine.
     
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    Good maybe Europe will unite
     
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    Uniparty? Can you conservatives ever take any accountability?

    But spending cuts (not even spending cuts for the largest contributors in SSN, Medicare, and Defense) and massive tax cuts are the way to go? Cutting the budget of the NOAA going to help balance the budget?
     
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    Our aging population is a major issue, it’s not just the federal level but state and municipal. We can’t afford to be as generous and it’s going to both tax increases and spending cuts.
     
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