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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Nov 25, 2018.

  1. davidio840

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    Obviously, it will cost a lot. It will cost everyone a lot more when our dependency on every other country fails us first.

    As far as inflation, Thanks Biden!
     
  2. DonnyMost

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    I see nothing here that changes anything.
     
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  3. dmoneybangbang

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    Lol…. And yet your side is cutting spending on Americans and spending on investment in Americans.

    You idiots cry about spending on Ukraine and then silent when MAGA cuts spending on free lunch for students, Medicaid, etc
     
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  4. Commodore

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    It amazes me that people defend Trump when he offers nothing but a worthless peace agreement to Zelenskyy and expects him to sign it for mineral rights. Putin has broken agreements over and over with Ukraine, and only a dumbass like Trump takes that dictator for his word. That's why Trump is Putin's little easily manipulated American puppet.

    Putin isn't even willing to give back the land they took after bombing and killing thousands of Ukranians, and certainly can't be trusted to stop invasions of killing innocent people again. So, with no US security guarantees or Trump even admitting Putin was the aggressor in this war, Zelenskyy would have been an idiot to just throw up his arms and abandon his fight for what is rightfully his.

    How would you MAGAS feel if Russia started bombing the hell out of Alaska for 3 years, killing thousands, and started claiming parts of Alaska as their own? Then, Kim Jong Un and Putin propose a peace treaty for the US, saying they will stop the aggression, but keep the territory, and in turn for peace the US gives up its oil rights in Alaska, but no security of American soil will be guaranteed. According to Trump, it's a great deal, right? :eek:
     
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  6. Amiga

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    C-SPAN has the full video and a searchable transcript.

    BTW, the very first words out of Zelensky’s mouth were “Thank you so much, Mr. President.” A thank you that he repeated numerous times throughout the conversation before Vance - who had been in the room from the beginning - later asked Zelensky, “Have you said thank you once in this meeting?” Not sure if he was just mindlessly blind or purposefully instigating.

    The heated exchange started around the 38-minute mark when a reporter asked, and I paraphrase "Poland is concerned that you (Mr. Trump) are aligned a bit too much with Putin.” Trump gave a neutral answer. Vance then jumped in and made the comment that diplomacy is what we should be doing. Zelensky responded by stating that Putin had broken ceasefire agreements and asked Vance, “What kind of diplomacy are you speaking about?” Vance didn’t like that question and said it was disrespectful to litigate this in front of the American media, and from there, things went downhill.

    This all started from a simple question that Trump answered in a mostly neutral way - then Vance got mad at how Zelensky tried to make his case that diplomacy doesn’t work here. The irony? Just a few minutes earlier, Vance had talked about the importance of free speech, and now he’s mad that Zelensky is simply trying to make his case in the room. Overly sensitive egos.

    President Trump Meets with Ukrainian President Zelensky | C-SPAN.org

    Volodymyr Zelensky

    THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR. PRESIDENT. THANK YOU FOR THE INVITATION. I REALLY HOPE THIS DOCUMENT WILL BE THE FIRST STEP TO GUARANTEES FOR UKRAINE, OUR PEOPLE, OUR CHILDREN. WE COUNT THAT AMERICA WILL NOT STOP SUPPORT. FOR US, IT IS IMPORTANT TO SUPPORT. I WANT TO DISCUSS IT FURTHER DURING OUR CONVERSATION. THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND SECURITY GUARANTEES. I UNDERSTAND WHAT EUROPE IS READY TO DO. I WANT TO DISCUSS WITH YOU WHAT UNITED STATES WILL BE READY TO DO. I REALLY COUNT ON YOUR STRONG POSITION TO STOP PUTIN. YOU SAID THAT ENOUGH WITH THE WAR. I THINK THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT. AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF THE WAR, IS A KILLER AND A TERRORIST. I HOPE TOGETHER WE CAN STOP HIM. SAVE OUR COUNTRY, OUR VALUES, OUR FREEDOM, OUR DEMOCRACY. AND OF COURSE, NO COMPROMISES WITH A KILLER. OF COURSE, WE SPOKE ABOUT IT BY PHONE ABOUT THE 2RODUCTION. WE HAVE THE BEST IN THE WORLD BECAUSE OF THE WAR. OF COURSE, WE NEED VERY MUCH AIR DEFENSE. YOU HAVE THE BEST AIR DEFENSE IN THE WORLD. WE ARE UNDER ATTACK FROM RUSSIA AND I WANT TO SPEAK HOW WE CAN EXCHANGE THE LICENSES. WE ARE OPEN TO SHARE OUR LICENSES WITH YOU. WE NEED LICENSES FOR QUICK PRODUCTION OF AIR DEFENSE. EVEN AFTER THE WAR, WE NEED OUR NATION TO BE SECURE. THAT IS WHY WE NEED THE AIR SHIELD. I WANTED TO SPEAK. I THINK FRANCE AND THE U.K. ALREADY SPOKE TO YOU. EUROPE IS NOT READY WITHOUT UNITED STATES. THEY ARE NOT READY TO BE AS STRONG AS WE NEED. THE LAST POINT, LAST BUT NOT LEAST, ABOUT EXCHANGE. YOU KNOW THE CRAZY RUSSIANS STOLE 20,000 UKRAINIAN CHILDREN, THEY CHANGED THEIR NAMES. THEY CHANGE THEIR FAMILIES, RELATIVES. WE WANT TO BRING THEM BACK. IT IS A BIG GOAL FOR ME. BY THE WAY, MORE THAN 4000 FROM RUSSIAN PRISON. THERE ARE THOUSANDS MORE IN THE PRISON. I WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU SOME IMAGES. CAN I NOW?
     
  7. CrixusTheUndefeatedGaul

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    So you have touched his balls and felt excited about them?
    Zelenskyy is a mental midget though.
     
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  8. CrixusTheUndefeatedGaul

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    Tell me another person that can bring peace and put an end to this war other than Trump? You clowns are gonna be clowns!
     
  9. davidio840

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    My side? I love how all you liberal idiots just call everyone a maga supporter because you have nothing else to say. It gets old and shows a mass majority of your parties incompetence. The “cuts” all of the news is blabbering about isn’t near as bad as every dense minded person makes it out to be for their political agendas. The amount sent to Ukraine is asinine compared to the two. But ok.
     
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    ukraine wanted a security guarantee included in the deal but trump/putin wouldn't allow it. they still agreed to it.
     
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  11. CrixusTheUndefeatedGaul

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    Dude keeps talking over Trump and Vance. He’s used to talking all that crap because dumbass Biden with dementia let him do basically whatever the crap that he wants to do. You lefties had been pumping his head full of hot air and that’s why he’s behaving like this. He must know his role that we are the superpower here and when he comes to our house, he must respect the host and the Oval Office otherwise the new sheriff in charge will kick his midget ass to the curb. Dude is not very bright partially because the left in this country kinda blew smoke up his ass.

    He has no cards, no options in this case. Trump will simply stop throwing him his bone and he will fight his war all by himself. Don’t worry he will come crawling back. He’s running out of conscripts, weaponry, money and more than half of Ukraine is a parking lot now, so how long is he going to keep this madness up?

    Trump is the only one that can put an end to this war!
     
  12. dmoneybangbang

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    All I’m saying is stop with the conservative lies about spending when you clearly don’t care about supporting Americans as evidenced by your sides actions.

    A chunk of that Ukrainian spending went to US manufacturing. But those sort of details are beyond you
     
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    You'd rather give our outdated military equipment and ordinance to law enforcement?

    Israel? You want to give it to Israel right?
     
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  14. SamFisher

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    Stop arguing with these morons - they aren't truly dumb enough to think you can provide universal healthcare with some mothballed Bradley IFVs, they don't even think people should have health care - they want everyone to be like them - miserable poor ****ers with no inner life (actually Elon is the best example of this)

    Do yourself a favor, it's hard to ignore Elon since he is destroying the economy and the country and many better people than him, but you can ignore the @Space Ghost axis of beta b****
     
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    The designation by itself is simply a buzzword or label if you refuse to explain the substance backing up that designation.

    Which is what you do. Because you can’t.

    You just hide behind the designation but when challenged to explain why Ukraine deserves such a designation you’ve got nothing.
     
  16. deb4rockets

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    What peace? You are an idiot if you don't know Putin is a liar, and he's proven that over and over with Ukraine. He took their land, stole their children, and bombed thousands of other women, children and Ukranians. Trump isn't bringing anything but a worthless peace agreement he isn't willing to back up or guarantee. Only clowns like you believe liars like Trump and Putin. Trump is good for one thing only. Seeing what he can get for himself in any deal. Ask the Saudis, or anyone else who gifts him with personal deals. Ask all the billionaires who paid him for appointments and inside information, or other lucrative policies that will make them richer. Ask Putin, or Kim Jong Un what an easy mark he is to manipulate.
     
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    in what world would Russia be able to bomb Alaska for 3 weeks, much less 3 years? We are not Ukraine.

    We should let Trump cook. If he strikes a peace deal without allowing Ukraine to join NATO then everyone wins. Zelenskyy took a risk yesterday and we can't fault him for that but this is still trending in a better direction.
     
  18. deb4rockets

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    It's not a real deal and Zelenskyy knows it. There are no guarantees Putin will ever change.
     
  19. dmoneybangbang

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    lol….. you are still posting after @Invisible Fan demolished you?

    It’s comical how much you keep having to move the goal posts.

    When Russia needed aid it turned to China, Iran, and NK. Regardless of “designation” those countries aren’t our friends
     
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  20. SamFisher

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    Putinist b**** boy gonna Putinist b****, boy

    I think terms like "beta" and "cuck" are dumb as hell and meaningless -

    - but oh boy, the embrace by the Putin Piss Babies like Trump, Vance, @HTM of Russias beached failboat of a war in Ukraine is the highest example of beta cuckery (in their terms) as humanly possible
     

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