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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Nov 25, 2018.

  1. Bandwagoner

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    he never asks for it. kiss his ass give him an "amazing deal" he can brag about and you are in. He could have had troops defending mineral mines with lindsey graham rolling around in them covered in baby oil.

    the dude has bought his own tough guy act as real

     
  2. HTM

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    The State Department can give Ukraine whatever designation they desire.

    It doesn’t change the fact the United States isn’t meaningfully less secure economically or militarily depending on whether the administration in Kiev is pro-Moscow or pro-Washington.

    A large country just north of Ukraine falls into the former category. So what?

    So what if I wake up tomorrow and there’s a Russian flag flying in Kiev? Will my life change in any meaningful way? No. Will yours? No.

    Most Americans wouldn’t even knew it had happened.

    Where’s the beef? It’s all just fear mongering.
     
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  3. strosb4bros

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    None of this was new information. It did highlight the straight guy problem the far left has. All the puppets they install like Zelensky, Macron, Trudeau are bisexual actors who sidestep dealing with straight men via the charade of diplomacy. And then look at them with disdain. Trump reminded everyone why straight men make the world go round. It's ugly, but sometimes daddy's gotta give a spanking to the unruly kid who keeps making unreasonable demands because he lives in a fantasy world. Mommy's taken advantage of. If you refuse to accept the polite talk, you'll accept the spanking.

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    Now there's nothing wrong with Zelensky having his ideals over what Ukraine is and how it should be run, but it's gonna have to be done on his own dollar. Times change ..the US isn't an endless piggy bank that fight everyone's battles for them. He's not ungrateful , but he is delusional to the reality of the unwinnable war against Russia and the pipeline of money, weapons and resources that he can keep asking for.
     
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  4. Rocket River

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    Ask the Native Americans about the White Man's (The U.S.) Treaties

    Meaningless paper . . .they broke every one of them

    Rocket River
     
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  5. justtxyank

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    It's worse than we thought it would be. It's one thing to punt our friends and allies, it's another to punt our own readiness.
     
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  6. strosb4bros

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    What you see with the radical left is the need to be fanatically devoted to something that isn't religion. So it becomes their ideals that have been carefully manufactured by the media. And they'll pretend Ukraine is the frontier of democracy when it's really just another USSR state with a ton of natural resources that Russia knows they can get their hands on. The cold hard facts are that it's an unwinnable war, Ukrainians are miserable (even the ones with migrated aren't happy) and accepting reality is the first step towards rebuilding and normalcy. You think the poor being forced to fight will see any changes to their lives? Only the rich. It's a universal theme of war the world has woken up to.
     
  7. astros123

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    What the **** are you talking about. Zelensky has been kissing Trumps ass since the election. He claimed biden was holding them back and he praised Trumps, "peace through strength" rhetoric. He went around Europe praising Trump for weeks.

    You people are so pathetic. You losers have to rehabilitate Trump no matter what even if it means spewing disinformation for your cult leader
     
  8. strosb4bros

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    Ask the African slaves about African chief promises... they sold their own people for a buck

    This ain't about the WHITE MAN
     
  9. JHarden713

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    No, your life wouldn't change, but if Russia continues, Europe (at least the western part) will get involved, and every time that happened. Guess what happened? Your son got deployed. America had the same rhetoric/politics in WW1 as well as in the WW2 (America first), Trump didn't come up with this/didn't make it up and both times USA got involved militarily
     
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  10. HTM

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    You know every conflict doesn’t end up in a world war right?

    Russia can’t even drive 100 miles into Ukraine. Spare me the WW3 rhetoric. They don’t have the population or economic power to fight such a war.

    Plus you heard this **** with Vietnam too. It was called the Domino theory and it was bunk. “We have to stop them in Vietnam or else all of SE will go red” - ****in spare me. Didn’t happen. The Communists won and life went on perfectly fine for the American people.
     
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  11. JHarden713

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    Yea but Europe is different when big guns get involved
     
  12. strosb4bros

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    Gaslighting based on fantasy. Kinda like the weed is a slippery slope to meth crowd. Ukraine is a former USSR state so Putin can use the '''little brother''' justification and they're weak as a military. Russia will do just enough to get their hands on the natural resources of Ukraine and aren't going to bother with Germany or Switzerland.

    The US isn't sending boots on the ground to fight European battles because believe it or not technology, global outlook ans information access change over the course of a century. Look into Anduril and the sizeable contracts they keep getting

    Anduril to take over Microsoft's $22 billion U.S. Army headset program

    Anduril Industries Awarded Air Defense Production Contract with Department of Defense | Anduril

    This is the post Iraq US approach to proxy warfare
     
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  13. jo mama

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    nothing more "straight" and masculine than fantasizing about "daddy" giving a spanking to another dude.
     
  14. Invisible Fan

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    Misconceptions is very polite :D



    When responding to this question, I would focus on clarifying several misconceptions:

    Realistic Alternatives to War if a Kurdish state was planned

    Supporting the Kurds never required going to war with four nations to create a Kurdish state. More practical approaches existed:

    "The U.S. could have maintained its small military presence (about 1,000 troops) in northern Syria as a deterrent against Turkish aggression without escalating to full-scale war. This presence was effectively containing the situation with minimal American casualties."

    Consistency in Foreign Policy

    I would emphasize that the issue wasn't about creating a Kurdish state but about how the withdrawal was handled:

    "The concern wasn't that the U.S. refused to create Kurdistan, but that we abruptly abandoned allies without a transition plan, undermining our credibility. Even those who supported eventual withdrawal criticized the hasty, unplanned manner that created a humanitarian crisis and security vacuum."

    Biden Administration's Approach

    Regarding Biden's policies toward the Kurds:

    "The Biden administration has maintained a limited military presence in Kurdish-controlled areas of Syria, working with the SDF to prevent ISIS resurgence. While not dramatically expanding support, Biden reversed the complete withdrawal policy and has continued providing some security assistance and humanitarian aid to Kurdish regions."

    ISIS Resurgence in Syria

    ISIS has been gradually rebuilding its capabilities since 2022 in the central Syrian desert, where regime forces infrequently patrolled, and has infiltrated towns along the Euphrates River7. The group reached its "post-Caliphate zenith" in 2023, when it killed hundreds of civilians and conducted two attacks in Damascus, demonstrating its ability to infiltrate the capital from desert regions7.

    Recent assessments from February 2025 indicate that ISIS "is not only alive and well; it is flourishing in certain parts of the world" The collapse of the Assad regime has created new opportunities for ISIS to expand, with the group already seizing weapons stockpiles from former regime bases. US Central Command recently struck and destroyed a "truckload" of ISIS weapons that the group had likely taken from a former Assad regime stockpile.

    Current Threat Assessment

    The threat posed by ISIS remains significant in early 2025:

    1. US Central Command reported conducting multiple operations against ISIS in Iraq and Syria between December 30, 2024, and January 6, 2025, including strikes in the Hamrin mountains and an operation near Dayr az-Zawr that captured an ISIS attack cell leader
    2. Intelligence assessments from February 2025 warn that ISIS "could resurge in 12 to 24 months without a US presence in Syria" as the group has "spent the past several years building its strength there"1.
    3. The Secretary-General's strategic-level report from February 2025 notes that ISIS continues to demonstrate resilience, still has access to "significant cash reserves" estimated at approximately $10 million in Iraq and Syria alone, and maintains "extensive" propaganda output
    Regional Security Implications

    The interim Syrian government currently lacks sufficient forces to patrol eastern Syria and the central Syrian desert adequately ISIS has recognized this reality and has strategically shifted to prioritize attacks on the US-backed Syrian Democratic Forces while avoiding confrontation with Damascus to escape attention

    Security experts note that ISIS is "taking advantage of the rapidly changing security environment in the region" and that "partnered operations are critical to maintaining pressure on ISIS". The group is particularly exploiting the Syrian Badia region as "a centre for external operational planning" and a "critical region" for its activities

    The resurgence demonstrates that ISIS remains an adaptable threat that can exploit security vacuums and political transitions, confirming warnings that premature withdrawal of counter-ISIS forces would create opportunities for the group to reconstitute.

    Strategic Interests

    I would conclude by framing the issue in terms of American interests:

    "Supporting Kurdish autonomy within existing borders serves U.S. interests by maintaining reliable counter-terrorism partners, limiting Russian and Iranian influence, and preventing ISIS resurgence. This doesn't require carving out a new state but rather honoring commitments to allies who sacrificed alongside American forces."​
     
  15. JHarden713

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    Russia was also quiet for 30 years, this is their first major conflict (not counting Georgia and Crimea), if they come out on top (which seems obvious they will now), with the US pulling out of Europe, and they have a dictator in power, one can hope thats the end of it.
     
  16. HTM

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    Is this Chat GPT?

    So much for a simple question with a simple answer.

    What responsibilities do the American people owe the Kurds? And for how long?

    Chat GPTs answer appears to be telling me maintain a US military presence among the Kurds but doesn’t tell me how long for but says withdrawal should be done “responsibly” - whatever the hell that means.

    I like the Kurds fine.

    They hated ISIS. I hated ISIS. Great
    They hated Sadam. I thought he was a ****er too. Great.

    Am I responsible for making sure the Turks don’t **** with them from now until the sun swallows the earth? No.
     
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  17. davidio840

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    Lol. Put the liquor down man. Jesus. This country is the most dependent on other countries on the planet. This country needs to be able to build its own **** without outsourcing everything and take care of itself first and foremost. There’s failing infrastructure everywhere. And you want to b**** about NOT giving MORE money to another country? We ****in fund half these countries. Our vets didn’t fight in wars in other countries to put them in the U.S. tax payer salary. Look in the mirror you dumb ****.
     
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    A bunch of Russian assets in here lol.
     
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  20. Xerobull

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    Zelenskyy don’t take no ****
     
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