So you supported staying in Afghanistan and spending hundreds of billions every year until the end of time? You would have liked to have seen the United States stay in Vietnam in perpetuity spending hundreds of billions every simply so you could say “we don’t abandon our allies” get a grip.
Are you dense or are you being purposely obtuse. I then said memorandum. After you corrected me. You said assurances opposed to guarantees. So my comment still stands. I mean you can’t be this dense
lol, Americans don't know one iota about the existence of Kurds yet for the past couple decades, they were trumpeted as "Iraqi success stories" for standing on their own. It's not sanctimony as we have no higher ground. Americans didn't want the war occupations after the sugar high ran out and desperately desired for news of it to go away in order for us to feel morally superior again. Trump did so by erasing any and all "progress" his predecessors were touting regardless of sunk costs and long held promises. It's telling that you're carrying water by acting as an apologist for Trump's pattern of short sighted behavior where he rat****s whatever tool he thinks he can get away with.
You’re ducking. What does the United States owe the Kurds? We helped them defeat ISIS and we considered that to be in our interest as well. Great a mutually beneficial endeavor… so that means we owe them what? Should we go to war with Syria, Iraq, Turkey and Iran to carve a state out of those countries for them? Waiting for an answer. I am happy to support any politician in their effort to reduce the size of the US military, overseas military commitments and defense spending. That use to be a Democratic thing but since Trump wants to do that its bad.
I ducked nothing. You started with a false premise to double down and rationalize your responses. How did Trump betray or abandon the Kurds? Did supporting them mean going to war with Syria, Iraq, Turkey and Iran to carve a state out of those countries for them? The Betrayal The betrayal unfolded in several key ways: Phone Call and Green Light: In a phone call with Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, Trump was supposed to tell Erdoğan to stay north of the border, but instead "went off script," effectively allowing Turkey to invade northern Syria1. Immediate Consequences: The Turkish offensive began within days, resulting in: Displacement of more than 100,000 people Executions and war crimes Escape of hundreds of Islamic State prisoners1 Ethnic cleansing of Kurds in areas like Afrin4 Abandonment After Alliance: The Kurds had fought alongside American forces against ISIS, suffering casualties and providing critical support. As one Army officer put it: "They trusted us and we broke that trust. It's a stain on the American conscience"110. Dismissive Attitude: After previously praising the Kurds as "great" allies, Trump later dismissed them, saying: "They didn't help us in the Second World War. They didn't help us with Normandy, as an example"1. According to John Bolton's book, Trump also reportedly said: "I don't want to stay at all. I don't like the Kurds. They ran from the Iraqis, they ran from the Turks, the only time they don't run is when we're bombing all around them with F-18s"6. Context of Kurdish Independence Supporting the Kurds did not necessarily mean creating an independent Kurdish state carved from Syria, Iraq, Turkey, and Iran: Limited U.S. Support: Historically, the U.S. has never supported full Kurdish independence, not even for the Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG) in Iraq3. The U.S. condemned the 2017 Kurdish independence referendum in Iraq5. Strategic Partnership: The U.S.-Kurdish alliance was primarily focused on fighting ISIS and maintaining regional stability, not on creating a Kurdish state37. Complex Regional Politics: The Kurds are spread across multiple countries (Iraq, Syria, Turkey, and Iran), and each Kurdish population faces different circumstances and challenges35. Alternatives to Full Independence: Rather than creating a new state, the U.S. could have continued protecting Kurdish autonomous regions through military presence and diplomatic pressure47. Existing Autonomous Regions: The Kurdistan Regional Government in Iraq and the de facto autonomous Kurdish administration in northeastern Syria were already functioning with varying degrees of self-governance without being independent states45. The betrayal wasn't about refusing to create a Kurdish state but about abruptly abandoning allies who had fought alongside U.S. forces, leaving them vulnerable to Turkish attacks after they had sacrificed to help defeat ISIS10.
Buzzwords. The American people aren't meaningfully more or less secure based on a friendly or antagonistic Ukraine. Most can’t even find it on a map.
So because the United States fought with the kurds in a mutually beneficial relationship to combat ISIS in Syria and Iraq… the United States is now responsible for guaranteeing the Kurds security against the Turks.. their longstanding enemy.. until when? The end of time? Ridiculous.
Eat **** Putinist - if Russia was so great they wouldn't need Trump's betrayal to try to beat Ukraine (they probably won't do it even with it) Some of us don't want the US to be a dying shithole gangster country like Russia, therefore it is in our national interest to oppose Russias only export of note (crime). Some of us actually care about the legacy of WW2, of the America of NATO, of being the leader of the free world - because it mattered. It mattered for us, it mattered for others. It mattered even though we were imperfect at it However some of us, it appears, not many, but some - are b****ass losers who want to see the US destroyed from the ground up like Putin, Trump, Musk etc - respectfully **** y'all, we will fight you every step of the way. It's going to be a long road back to try to recover what you ****ers squandered for your banal grubby greedy online clout to fill the holes in your incel void lives - but we will walk it. Peace out.
Zelenskyy is a fool. keir starmer and xi can play narcissist trump like a fiddle. he does whatever they say after some BS letter or showy welcome. zelenskyy is still trying to play tough guy and completely screwed up. if you kiss his ass in front of a camera trump will bend over and do whatever you want no matter what he said 5 minutes previous.
Where does any of what I wrote imply that? Do you like making grandiose claims to knock down in order to pretend that you're winning an argument? You act like countries like Turkey moving of their own will is a new thing or the blood between them and prk-like entities is unique to Trump, except 90% of the time we have presidents with a backbone telling them to knock it off pronto. I spent a little effort detailing Trump's unique and specific brand of statecraft by betraying the weak allies we made promises to. I don't expect you to like what it says, but at least take in what it means rather than holding onto dumb points no one has made.
He wasn't asking for his ass to be kissed (for the first time in history), he was asking for zelensky to give up.
Don't forget to take your medication grandpa. You're all worked up. Don't want you to have a stroke. I don't like Putin. I don't root for his success. I do not want to see the U.S. "destroyed" - exactly the opposite actually. The MIC, defense spending and playing world policeman is a fiscal loser. We are broke. We have a $37 trillion dollar debt and $2 trillion dollar deficit. The United States and the American people will be totally fine if Russia or China want to bully their neighbors. Do I like it? No. I wish they wouldn't but it's not our responsibility to make sure they don't. It's not written down in stone somewhere that from 1945 - until the end of time the United States is in charge of making sure nothing bad happens to anybody anywhere in the world.
I'm asking you a question you haven't answered. What do or did we OWE the Kurds? What responsibilities? How long do those responsibilities last for?
It's an official stated policy. U.S. policy toward Ukraine has recognized it as a key strategic partner since 2008. This designation isn’t unique - similar terms are used for Taiwan, Israel, South Korea, Japan, Canada, and others. Your opinion is noted, but the claim overlooks a few critical points. Ukraine isn't antagonistic toward the U.S. and has little capacity to harm American interests directly; instead, it's Putin's ambitions that pose a real threat. If Ukraine were to fall under his influence and he were to target NATO states, American security would be directly at risk. With Putin's openly expressed desire to reestablish the old and great Russian empire, it’s logical to acknowledge that possibility. Moreover, "strategic partnership" goes beyond mere military security. It encompasses trade, resource access, economic interests, and shared values. This multifaceted relationship benefits all parties involved, including the American people.
