[NBC News] Large Swaths of Children being hospitalized in Texas due to non vaccinations of Measles

I don’t understand I thought those people admired Elon and wanted to be just like him. You think therefore would get their kids vaccinated

 

MMR vaccines are given at 18 months and around 5 years old. I have not seen a breakdown of the ages of those infected (and we might not get one).

I did look up the TX database showing the percentage of vaccination exemptions per school district (public and private). In GAINS, where this outbreak started, one of the ISDs has an exemption rate of 48%. In comparison, HFISD's rate is 1.2%. Exemptions in private schools (ball park 15-20%) are relatively high compared to public schools (ball park 1-2%).

Conscientious Exemptions | Texas DSHS

 

This is a stupidity issue, I don't ever remember hearing a sermon about how thou shall not be vaccinated.

 

How many of the measles cases were illegals from the Middle East or China who ran across the border with disease? Odds are this points to an immigration problem more than a vaccine acceptance problem. But bottom line is we should have an honest debate about vaccines, instead of shouting down those who want to learn more. Science is about questioning and learning -- not blind acceptance and shouting down your "opponent". This refusal to consider scientific advances is the type of anti-intellectualism that takes society backwards.

And if there are people that still think the COVID vaccine is an actual vaccine -- then wow, I can't help you. A vaccine prevents a person from getting a disease. The COVID shot doesn't do that. It was a therapeutic -- at BEST.

GOOD DAY

 

These kids must attend MAGA church to get the exemption.

 

I don't get why people aren't aware of the circumstances of this outbreak. These people are members of a religious sect that for whatever reasons were against vaccinations.

It's has been well covered in the local news.

 

Thanks, the reason I asked the question is as I stated this is a religious sect and I was just wondering how long they have been not vaccinating their children. Iow why is this happening now in regards to how long have they been around and how long have they been not vaccinating

 

While COVID brought out more right-wing anti-vaxxers, prior to that, there were still plenty of ultra-liberal hippy-type anti-vaxxers. Both are complete idiots and deserve what they get.

 

The religious sect that are getting vaccinated in West Texas are called the Mennanites, they are Christian and were founded in the 1500s

 

the overwhelming vast majority of measles cases in this country are caused by antivaxxers who travel abroad and bring it back - measles has a 2 week incubation period. It is known that some of these mennonites did travel out of the country recently. Also, that county is 97% white, so there are not a lot of undocumented workers there. And we also know for Sure that the Houston cases were definitely 2 antivaxxers that brought it back after traveling overseas.

 

what an uneducated post jorge. your blind partisanship continues to make you state things that have no bearing on reality.

the kid that died was a menonite. the measels outbreak happened in a menonite community in west texas where they are anti-vax.

the fact that you were unaware of this shows how little you actually follow the news.

 

He is following his Lord and master. Trump appointments anti vaxxer, Texas has measles outbreak, blame immigrants

It's only natural for these MAGAs

 

Why would their god allow this to happen!?!/

 

I only examined Loops ISD in GAIN County. The exemption has grown steadily, but its rate of increase has accelerated recently. My assumption is that the religious exemption hasn't changed much, and the recent surge is largely due to the growing prominence of anti-vaccine rhetoric since Covid, to the point where it's now widely accepted to have a vaccine critic leading the HHS. Consequently, I believe the motivations are not primarily religious, with that factor being overshadowed by more significant political influences. And, with an anti-vaccine perspective at the helm of the HHS, this trend is likely to accelerate even further, posing significant risks to public health.

This analysis relies on data from just one county. If this trend is representative of broader state or national patterns, I believe it is both concerning and likely that anti-vaccine politics (e.g not taking smart actions/responsibility while blaming certain groups) - and possibly anti-vaccine policies from HHS - could allow vaccine-preventable diseases to re-emerge and circulate more widely, thereby endangering public health.

Loops ISD (GAIN County) exemption:
2018/9- 13%
2019/20- 16% (+3)
2020/1- 19% (+3)
2021/2- 27% (+8)
2022/3- 34% (+7)
2023/4- 48% (+14)

 

I get all that but this Texas outbreak is because of this religious sect. There is a reason why it made the news, because it's a bad outbreak and the reason is this religion.

You're over thinking this. The exemption has been in Texas since 2003. Measles was declared eliminated in 2000 and reappeared in 2011

 

I don't think this is so, though. It is a religious Mennonite community that has gone anti-vaxx and is now suffering. But, their anti-vaxx ideology does not come from religious teaching. It seems to be more of a church-related cultural practice. That's different from, say, Christian Scientists who make reliance on God for healing a central part of worship and their religious identity. Even the Christian Scientists, though, allow believers to get vaccines if they choose.

I think closer to what has happened here is that Texas has very liberal exemptions from vaccination mandates. And there has been a cultural meme (per the older definition of that word) that spreads easily through communities that seek to insulate themselves from the sinful world and are suspicious of forces of conformity that says vaccinations are sus and you can't trust outside "experts" who say otherwise. They have taken advantage of Texas' simple opt-out approach to vaccination mandate exceptions to do something unwise and a danger to public health. If it was somehow intrinsic to their religious beliefs, I would feel more deference. But, it's not. And, I can respect that they have a separate and distinct cultural practice, but not when that practice kills children. Texas needs to tighten their mandates (but of course I expect we will do the exact opposite).

 

I'm not defending it. I get that there are more anti vaxxers and its troubling it's more accepted. I was wondering how long they have been anti vaxxers in relation to why this happened now.

 

You weren't defending it, but you were saying it stems from religious belief. Given our constitutional defense of religious freedom (and my own respect for sincerely held religious beliefs), I thought it was important to distinguish between beliefs that are held for religious reasons and beliefs that are common in religious communities. In my church, the belief in the efficacy of free markets to find efficient outcomes is probably very high and we probably tell that to each other in overt and covert ways all the time, but it's not a religious belief. And I think anti-vaxxism is the same way.

As to why now, my amateur opinion is that anti-vaxxism had been slowly growing for many years (the study falsely linking MMR to autism was 1998), the conservative reaction to the overweening power of liberal elitism then found a voice and identity in the Tea Party (2010) which would later morph into MAGA, then conspiracy theories found a vehicle for faster growth in social media (Facebook went public in 2012), and then got another kick in the pants by covid (2020) and the vaccine (2021) and the self-interested Trump narrative that liberals were evil illuminati trying to destroy America with vaccine mandates (2021-present).

 

You're right it's not part of their belief system but that's the way it's been reported

https://apnews.com/article/measles-...s-mennonites-4880035d6fd53cc029b531f5adda95ad