And now you tell me why Jalen green can’t be better than Edwards

I actually do watch them and I honestly think this is a issue of you watching every single Jalen Green fail while only seeing mostly highlights and the specific games we match up against Ant. You got Ant's highlight reels in your head and you got all of Jalen's bad possessions in your head.

First, their career turnover rates are the same. NBA.com even has the data to calculate how many total dribbles each player does per game so you can literally create a turnovers per dribble ratio and Ant is higher for their respective careers. If Ant was a savant pg who was primarily a floor general rather than a scorer I'd understand that turnovers can't directly tell the story on ball security because those type of players pass out more and take more risks passing. That isn't Ant. If he turns it over, more than likely he's turning it over like Green is with being stripped.

You haven't watched all the times Ant tried to split doubles and got stripped. Only fans of the Wolves who routinely watch their games will see this. Jalen Green takes as many risks as Ant. In fact he has consistently for his career has more dribbles per touch than Ant which means he's chaining more dribble moves per touch than Ant for their careers.

So now that we have ball security covered as NBA.com data suggests that Green actually is more secure with his handle then it comes down to creativity and I haven't seen a single dribble move Ant has done that Green hasn't. Ant like SGA has developed a better pivot game in the middy area where after stopping his dribble he's still a significant threat. But Green has done all the fancy dribble stuff like splitting doubles, in and out crossovers, hesi crossovers etc, I've seen Green split doubles like 5 different ways with 5 different type of dribble moves in massive amounts of traffic. Does' Green sometimes get stripped attempting these moves? Sure but not anymore than Ant.

So I vehemently disagree,

 

I’ll continue reading but want to pause and respond real quick to the first point… I am not saying Edwards is a better passer, a smarter player, will become greater, etc… I’m simply saying Jalen has a weaker handle and is physically weaker and I would rather have Ant’s body and handles than Jalen’s.

and please don’t dismiss criticism or somewhat negative comparisons of Green as extreme bias. I have similar concerns for Alp and his ability to actually become “that guy.”

I maintain my position that Jalen is weaker with the ball.

 

I am not saying Green is better at those things either.

Green absolutely doesn't have a weaker handle.

 

I don't even get your reply to my "first point". My first point was discussing how you have Ant's highlight reel in your head assuming you aren't as invested in watching Wolves games as Rocket games. With Green, you remember all the dribble move failures he has tried to execute because you watch Rocket games in their entirety. NBA game recaps only show made buckets so you won't see the times Ant tries to split a double and loses it. That was my first point. I don't know how your reply adde4rses my first point.

What's funny is I remember last season the last Wolves vs Rockets game, the NBA general game thread had a mixture of Wolves and Rocket fans and I replied about Green that game looks more secure and confident with his handle and even Wolves fans were agreeing.

Again this also can be a product of Wolve fans watching every Ant failed dribble attempt and only watching mostly highlights for Green and the one head to head game they watch he is doing more advanced more secure dribble moves than Ant for that one particular game.

 

I think a handle is determined by more than just turnovers. And it’s more than just “the dribble.” It’s the shake. It’s the body movement that goes WITH the dribble. Some players have decent handles but can move like a slithering snake. Jalen has a quick first step, but he doesn’t shake like the greats.

 

When we get to this level of subjectiveness it's hard to really say anything besides "no, your observation skills are bad".

Green has done some of the most violent crossovers in the NBA. And his hesi game in traffic is also pretty damn good now. Has fakes so many defenders in the middy area with hesi dribbles this season.

So no, Green shakes defenders as much has any player in this league. Green has great bendability and wiggle also so for someone you admit has a great first step, there is no reason for him not being able to shake defenders.

 

I remember a draft analyst compared Green's allusiveness and ability to slither into tight spaces akin to a cat who is able to squeeze between the carpet and bottom of the door. And watching Green now really confirms to me that analogy was spot on.

 

Nothing to do with bias or you being a Green hater. It has to do with the content you consume regarding each respective player. You watch a higher ratio of Ant highlights compared to full games of his that include all the low lights. With Green you watch a lot more full games that include all the low lights than just the highlights. This is what they mean by "grass is greener". With Ant and Jalen, Ant is obviously the superior talent given he's Jalen Green with significantly more strength and consistent jump shot. I'm just referring to the handle aspect.

Just to be clear things up to not make it sound like I'm accusing you of being a hater or something.

 

This logic is just so flawed. Your argument is that Ant is not the guy because he lost to Dallas and Denver in the playoffs at 21 and 22 years old? What are you even saying here? That Denver was a #1 seed and won a championship and that Ant at 21 years old didn't take them down, so he is not that good? Two teams who recently went to the finals and one that won the whole thing. Jordan and Lebron didnt win it all until their late 20s, that doesn't mean they werent the guy. The fact he was even getting those teams to be in a position to play those games means he is that guy, and has been that guy.

It is not really controversial at all lol, he is considered the face of the league already. The media during the all star break has mentioned it, look at this poll on here where the other guy is on our team lol and he is still losing 83% to 17%, its not even close. imagine running this poll in a place without bias, it would be like 97% to 3%.

 

Painted nails vs killer instinct

 

Your childhood was during peak use of leaded gasoline huh?

 

JG's not even leading the rockets this season in outscoring opponents and wins

and if any younger star who is leading his team this season in outscoring opponents and wins, it's cade

 

I don't care about painting his nails but he's inconsistent and not what we expected. It is super weird though

 

Wolves sit Ant in 4th went on a 15-0 run to force OT

Edwards 5-15 1-6 from 3 6-10FTs (FTs keep saving him) 13 rebounds 8 assist 4TO 17pts -7

key block to seal game

 

Not only ANT is better than Green, even Cade is better also.

 

So is Mobley.

DD

 

The thread is silly

 

Mobley is playing with multiple all stars, and having a real C besides him helps a ton (he’s in a perfect situation for him)

Cade has turned the corner and taken another step this year…

 

name the multiple all stars lol