DOGE having access to government agencies is illegal

Did you feel this way when 60,000 workers were laid off because Biden killed the Keystone Pipeline project. These workers weren't committing fraud/wastwe/abuse or just plain incompetent

 

Agreed and the POTUS has the right to fire anybody who wworks for the federal govt. So unlike last time the govt workers better get in line or they will be cut. The fact you're against cutting the fat tells me all I need to know.

BTW, I'm waiting for the SCOTUS to rule on this. Also did you feel bad about the 60,000 Keystone workers getting laidoff?

 

I feel bad for any worker getting laid off regardless of the industry. The laborers do not chose policy. They need work to feed their kids , pay bills, pay for a roof over their heads etc.

The only people I detest in our economic system are people who accumulate capital while sitting on their asses and could just walk away into the sunset and never have to try to gain anymore wealth in their lives and still be able to sustain a high quality of living standards for multiple generations of their family line.

 

Then you wouldn't have Space X, Amazon etc... You're just jealous of wealthy people? I dont have any issues with the wealthy. The little piece of the pie I get has served our family well. I detest incompetent, dishonest people.

 

We had Space X. It was called NASA and they did 95% of the innovation to allows Space X to do what it does today.

Ya we wouldn't have Amazon. That means we would be walking streets of midtown where there are small business shops where people would go outside and buy things and interact with other humans in real life. It was a better time.

We sacrificed community for convivence and that is part of why so many Americans are selfish.

 

this is a weak talking point. My understanding is that there were only about 1500 workers who were actually working on the pipeline at the time the project was killed. The 60,000 number is the estimate of the total number of jobs that would have been created if the pipeline had been approved. But 60k people did not get laid off.

 

They were not fired, because they were never hired, it was an inflated estimate at that, and the original estimate was over two years and several countries.

https://factcheck.afp.com/doc.afp.com.336T7YL

I think everyone believes there is waste in the government, and it is too big, but you don't go into an agency you have no idea what they do and just fire everyone, sure you can do that at Twitter and I was sad for those folks to. I was all for trump going in and figuring out what worked, what needed tweaking and what could be cut.

And it's not even realistic to say EVERYONE was committing fraud, just like it's not right for me to paint all gop folks with the maga label or the gop painting everyone on the left with the Evil Libs paint brush

As a manager who has gone through these things, you go in with an empathetic mindset and dig deep and you come up with the positives and the negatives which you then report to your boss and then they work out what should be done, you don't send in 4 kids with access to everything and then NOT be transparent on the mission objective and then run down the halls saying we saved BILLIONS without any proof

trump could have had a HUGE win if he did it right, but unfortunately that is not his style. People want transparency because all we hear is the "deep state" not really knowing what it is, and then you have 4 kids working in secret.

I simply don't appreciate people painting the entire government with the "EVIL" paint brush, it dehumanizes the folks who work there and there are some great lifers who have done this for a long time and love doing it. This needed a precision scalpel, not firing buckshot in any direction

 

The politicians have had years to fix this and didn't. Now Trump knows he's only got two years to cut the fat so he went scorched earth because he doesn't have time to waste. You're right not all government workers are crooks and unfortunately some bad workers are going to get some good workers to be let go. There's no time to waste trying to figure out the good from the bad. Time is of the essence.

It appears you have worked in the corporate world. How long would you say it takes new leadership to lay people off after a buy out? My expectations is 3 months.

Good news is Trump doesn't care what people think, he's on a mission to cut waste, fraud and abuse. What would it take as proof for you to see that they're cutting waste, fraud and abuse? Personally I like the fact that they're making workers come into the office and giving bullet points on work they've done for the week, just like any other corporate business. I understand you're compassion for those that are going to be laid off. But they're going to be given a nice 8 months severance package and the ability to draw unemployment. That's more than most get in the corporate world. So I would say they're being shown compassion. A govt job doesn't mean a job for life.

Also I've got more compassion for my kid/grandkids than I do for a bunch of bureaucrats. Gotta cut to the bone because far too much has gone on for far too long. I want to leave things better for the next generation and we've been on the wrong path for decades IMHO.

 

After doing more research it was 11,000 jobs. But really the number doesn't matter and wasn't the point I was making. Where was the compassion back then? I dont recall people crying out for compassion back then.

BTW, Trump's going to do what he promised he was going to do and what the voters voted him in to do. He doesn't really care about what others think/say/do. Change is coming can you feel it?

 

It's best you stick to sports takes.

 

X is much more efficient than NASA ever was.

Totally agree with your last sentence. Just like texting/sending emails have hurt people's ability to converse/relate to each other. It's limited in person interaction. Being able to talk to somebody in person is now considered a skill.

 

Why LMAO,

Trump's doing exactly what he was elected to do.

Run the country like a business.

 

The concept of SpaceX being more efficient when SpaceX uses the decades of research and development of far more ground breaking things like rockets that can leave orbit that was publicly funded is absurd. The leap in space travel innovation that occured under NASA's prime is infinitely more innovative and productive than SpaceX.

 

So the Jack Welch style of management where world renown engineering powerhouses like GE were gutted into a glorified finance company with cyclical layoffs for short term shareholder value increase that has no care for the long term future of the company because management has to satisfy short term investors applied to essential services like mail, national defense, social safety nets that millions of children rely on to live is what is going to make cost of living improve in America?

What is the end state goal here? "Making government smaller" is a means to an end. What is the end? Certainly not the well being of the median American. Own the libs? Is that it?

Is this all to own the libs? We are owned. Can you stop now?

 

Nope cutting waste is a good thing, just like any business owner would do. Employing people who aren't essential is good business.

The end goal is to not leave our kids/grandkids a mountain of debt that they cant get out of. You know, leave it like our parents/grandparents left it for us.

So you think more govt is what's best for the future of this country? Because if it is we will never agree.

 

Do you believe sovereign debt is the same as the debt you have as an individual?
How many nuclear carriers do you own?

The fear of debt ruining the country is a campaign for multiple decades of abject propaganda to gut the federal government and replace it with capital owners extracting wealth directly from tax payers and having private capital do all functions of government.

They make video games, movies, novels, board games etc on this dystopian future called cyberpunk.

You are a useful idiot for billionaire capital owners.

 

I would say Space X has been plenty innovative too. Being able to reuse rockets and some of the other things they're developing is pretty awesome. If you get a chance to go down to the Kennedy Space Center you should do it.

 

Simply put I believe the less debt the healthier the country is financially. We definitely live in 2 different worlds.

 

It's neet. It's something that never needed to contracted out. Now space exploration financing will be based on wealth accumulation rather than intellectual curiosity.

Intellectual curiosity gets you people like John B Goodenough, a career material scientist academic professor and researcher who developed with his research team the lithium ion battery. Public research made 90% of what Tesla is today possible. The innovations that Tesla has made for example pale in comparison to one research team in one university. Nothing Tesla has created was a leap in technology equivalent to the lithium ion battery. That's just one example of many.


The drive for wealth gets you glorified salesmen who leech wealth from workers while doing no actual work.

 

So how many nuclear carriers do you own? What is your gdp output as a individual? Does it outpace your personal debt?