I kept telling people that some people will find a way to keep hating come hell or high %. One poster told me it's such a big deal that Jalen's 35-36% shooting on the season is less consistent than all the other people also shooting the exact same volume and percentage. He was appalled I wasn't seeing it as a major problem. He said there's no evidence Jalen would improve. Until you showed him the evidence today. This man was so busy micro-judging the relative quality of two players shooting 36% that he compiled lots of data showing the standard deviation from the mean and just how bad it is. He was so busy doing that he didn't realize Jalen was above league average at the midway point, 38.7% in his last 30 and 39.5% on catch and shoot for the season. That's the summary of how you can hypnotize yourself to focus on a tiny dot and ignore the big picture.
Because he is not a pg and he has sucked when they tried to play him as one. At some point, he may become a useful rotation piece as a combo guard.
The short answer is, he is simply not good enough to play spot minutes with any serious responsibility yet.
PPG isn't a good indicator on whether or not a guy deserves a starting spot or not. Cam Thomas averaged 25 for the Nets and he should be a sixth man. Put enough monkeys together with typewriters and one will average 25 PPG.
He sucks. But it's not because he's not a PG. He played PG in summer league and G-leauge and did pretty well. He led his college team in assists. There's no reason to assume that he can't play PG. They actually try very little to give him PG duties. Most of the time when he's on the floor, he defers to other ball handlers and runs to the corner or parks behind the 3pt line waiting for catch and shoot.
Yeah, no. Sorry, don’t buy it for one second. There are currently only 15 guys averaging 25 ppg. And your comparison to Cam Thomas is ludicrous — there is obviously a massive difference between putting up a lot of points on a bad team and doing it on a good team. It’s stunning that I have to point that out.
Rockets are 9-0 when Jalen scores over 30. He's won more games for us in the 4th than any player on the roster. He's been the scoring leader of somewhere between a quarter and a third of our wins - just like Sengun, more than Amen for now. None of the other "monkeys" (your analogy, not mine) are doing that. The ones who the coach sees as deserving of the shots are doing that. I know this infuriates you because in the other games he's lower than their lows, but the silver lining of Jalen's historic statistical bipolarism is that his big games put teams away whether they are contenders or pretenders, whether we're close or far in the 4th Q. To keep acting like his scoring is a coincidence is, well, stupid. Don't forget when you're compiling the lowlights that you're simultaneously talking about the top scorer on a top 4 Western team, our highest gravity player (top 10 in NBA), the best transition player, the best scorer in the clutch, the 2nd best shooter on an entire roster that can't shoot and the only player on the roster capable of creating an iso 3 if we're going to the playoffs. Not to mention by far the highest in just total points for us this season, a result of his ironman status on this roster never missing games, never needing rest, never coming off the bench, in great shape every season. It's time to become aware that as a theme your statements are not changing with the times and each day you're sounding 1% more like an old man on a porch complaining about people who seem like monkeys to you (your choice of words, not mine).
As Jalen's numbers have gone up....the team has been worse. Rockets are 14-11 since January when people like to cherry pick his inflated numbers. We haven't been a good team lately. Is it because FVV is out? And if so what will happen to Jalen's numbers when FVV comes back? Would be crazy if his averages drop and we start winning more games. We've lost to the Nets (2x), Jazz, and Pistons in that span. Right now Jalen is a starter caliber player but I'm not going to laugh at the notion of him ultimately being a 6th man microwave scorer. He teeters back and forth between the two. He's just been teetering slightly less in the worse direction this year.
Sure, they lost those games because Jalen’s numbers have gone up. There aren’t any other contributing factors. Are we watching the same team? I swear, Jalen detractors need to make up alternative realities to justify their criticism.
And those 15 guys don't include Jalen Green either. So until he can average 25ppg for an entire season, he's closer to Cam Thomas than Kevin Durant.
Who said anything about Kevin Durant? The discussion is about how it’s idiotic to say Green should be a “sixth man.” Keep up. I swear, this mentality is so dumb and it permeates so much on this board. If a player isn’t Kevin Durant, he’s a “sixth man.” There is a thing as a high level starter.
You brought up 15 players who score 25ppg, that doesn't include Jalen. So yeah, stop making Jalen out to be a 25ppg guy when he averages 21ppg.
Are you daft? This isn't a difficult convo to follow. I pointed out Jalen has been averaging almost 25 ppg for like 30 games now on nearly .39 from 3, which increases his floor quite a bit, basically making him a high level starting SG at worst if he continues to shoot as he has. Mystik pointed out that 25 ppg isn't really a major milestone, and I countered that not many guys are doing it. No one is saying Jalen has averaged 25 ppg this season. You made that up in your little mind. I swear, at least I can understand Mystik's point. You don't seem to have one, and you can't seem to follow a debate.
By the way, it seems that many continue to miss my point. The 25 ppg really wasn't what I was emphasizing in my initial post. IF Jalen can continue to shoot .37 from 3 on 8+ 3pa per game, then, at worst, his floor is a high level starting SG even if he's only averaging 20+ ppg. He's already significantly improved his defense. A 20+ ppg SG who plays decent defense and shoots .37 from 3 on solid volume is likely a top 5 or 6 SG at worst.
Yes and 30 games is not a small sample size. Jalen will have stinkers, sometimes more than 1 in a row, but so will just about everybody. He has definitely shown a great amount of improvement this year and, I suspect, he will continue to get better. All-star level is in his future.
Please stop responding to me. If you can't grasp that my overarching point had nothing to do with the raw PPG, then I can't help you. I was talking about his SHOOTING. THAT is what I care about, not if he's averaging 23 or 25 or whatever ppg. If he is shooting well on volume 3s, then he is a high level starter who complements Amen and Sengun, not a sixth man. Period.
