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Operate Like a Business? USPS Edition: Smoke and Mirrors

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Amiga, Feb 23, 2025.

  1. Amiga

    Amiga Member

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    (ignoring that it takes an Act of Congress to dissolve the USPS and merge it into the Department of Commerce)

    The POTUS is pushing to dissolve the USPS and merge it into the Department of Commerce. Many of his supporters admire his business acumen and want the federal government to operate like a business. Yet merging the USPS into an executive branch department would strip it of the independent, business-like model established by the Postal Reorganization Act of 1970, turning it into a typical government agency.

    If the goal is truly to run government like a business, then every federal department should operate as an independent entity - accountable for its own profit and loss and self-sustaining. Instead, what we’re seeing is a consolidation of power that appears designed to pave the way for other major policy shifts: a $4 trillion tax cut largely benefiting the wealthy, deregulation that favors powerful corporations, and an overall centralization of authority

    is a form of government in which power rests with a small number of people. These people may or may not be distinguished by one or several characteristics, such as nobility, fame, wealth, education, or corporate, religious, political, or military control.

    Throughout history, power structures considered to be oligarchies have often been viewed as coercive, relying on public obedience or oppression to exist. Aristotle pioneered the use of the term as meaning rule by the rich, contrasting it with aristocracy, arguing that oligarchy was the perverted form of aristocracy.
     
  2. ThatBoyNick

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    The phrase “operate like a business” is too simplistic

    In a beveridge healthcare model for example, you want Gov to act as a cutthroat business in negotiating drug, staff and building costs. It has to be as efficient as possible in these areas. And at the same time, you don’t want the Gov “acting as a business” in coverage / access (giving premiums or refusing to cover those with expensive conditions).

    This talking point is black and white when most areas are pretty much entirely grey. Nordic countries offer incredible safety nets while also being extremely efficiency focused. This isn’t an either or, and to frame it as so is a disservice. We want things that work well.
     
  3. Invisible Fan

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    A lot of the redundancies from the USPS is to provide better coverage AND Service to rural residents.

    Cities are far more efficient per person with a station potentially covering at least 1,000,000 people within a 5 mile radius, but if a USPS station covers only 100 within the same distance in Mo Podunk than Podunk, Alabama...that's it for "Big Government Influence".

    FedEx or UPS aint got time for dem scrubs.

    This latest stunt is to extract more government/taxpayer value FOR corporations like Amazon, USPS, and Fedex.

    When airlines were decentralized/deregulated in the 70s-90s, one big consequence was the formation of super hubs like Dallas and ATL. Major airlines stopped providing direct flights to smaller cities and towns meaning some regions had one major carrier in a hundred mile radius.

    A capitalist would argue this is intended because smaller area coverage is Inefficient and "if the market was there for direct coverage, then there would be a profitable business model for it"

    The USPS isn't fully corporate for a reason. National security and national interests for one. The other is that it's large transportation infrastructure is directly leveraged by smaller corporate competitors. The same orgs that promote FedEx and UPS as "Working Efficient Models" know that private carriers can't handle the demand and needs of a national mailing carrier like USPS, but will still lobby for its weakening in order to convince voters of more pork coming to their corporate sponsors.

    The Era of Spin and Lies...where it's peddlers get high from their own product.
     
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  4. Rocket River

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    How about not requiring them to keep 75 years of worth retirement in liquid asset?
    How about putting the money stolen from the USPS back?
    How about not borrowing from it ever again???

    Rocket River
    USPS is better that most business. . . just over regulated in an attempt to make it fail.
     
  5. strosb4bros

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    Don't know of anyone who would agree with this. They lose around $8 billion per year .. now obviously, they service areas that usps and fedex won't so it's not an apples to apples comparison but surely there's a way to look at running it differently?
     
  6. Rocket River

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    That's a lie
    Literally the only part of government
    That turns a profit.

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    Under the Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act of 2006, the USPS is required to pay $5.4 billion to $5.8 billion annually, through 2016, to pay for future retiree health benefits"

    Remove this.....something NO BUSINESS HAS TO SO.....and they make a profit.

    Rocket River
     
  7. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    It is a service - which we pay for, it's job is not to turn a profit.

    Now it may be that it is outdated now with electronic mail etc....but then congress can dissolve it....Trump has no authority to do so.

    DD
     
  8. Amiga

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    It is too simplistic - See here :)

    The USPS is one of the few models in the U.S. that already operates with a mix of business efficiency and government service. It drives efficiency like a business while being mandated to ensure universal mail access (really, mostly for rural communities in today environment). Private companies do not provide services to these remote rural areas because they aren’t profitable. If USPS were purely a business, it could refuse unprofitable routes or charge excessive fees.

    But this debate isn’t just about efficiency - I think that (along with the federal workforce cuts) is smoke and mirrors. The goal is the concentration of power and control. By moving USPS into the executive branch, the government could do as it pleases with USPS, from indiscriminate and reckless layoffs to favoring certain companies over others (though that would also be against federal law - but who cares about the law anymore?).
     
  9. Amiga

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    The Postal Service Reform Act of 2022 repealed that 2006 law that required USPS to pre-fund retiree health benefits 75 years in advance, which had resulted in huge losses on the books each year. The bill easily passed both the House and Senate and was signed into law by President Biden. Now, postal retirees enroll in Medicare, which should help reduce long-term costs.
     
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    As much as I have a fondness for the morons at USPS, I'd like to see them improved and to run more efficiently than dissolved altogether.
     
  11. Rocket River

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    Good Stuff

    Rocket River
     
  12. Amiga

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    Just one clarification... Instead of USPS pre-funding retiree health benefits, future postal retirees will be required to enroll in Medicare Part B starting in 2025. This shift reduces USPS’s financial burden by integrating retiree healthcare with Medicare, which is already the primary source of coverage for most federal retirees. As a result, these savings won’t be immediately reflected in USPS’s finances but should grow over time. USPS will still face financial pressure as it continues to support current and past retirees for years to come.

    Anyone who doesn’t understand this detail may continue to claim that USPS is operating at a huge loss, even though a significant portion of its financial struggles was due to retiree funding requirements. USPS still faces other operational challenges such as declining mail volume and rising costs (inflation).
     
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  13. Amiga

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    I honestly don't care. Go ahead and dissolve it. If you choose to live out in the middle of nowhere, then you should foot the bill for that decision. Enough with the mailfare queen act.


    ;)
     
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  14. IBTL

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    Right on , brother!
     
  15. Rocket River

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    LOL. This is exactly the thing
    Imaging mailing something to Dallas is one price .. .to Austin is another and San Antonio another still
    A BOONIES Fee for anywhere outside of 50 mile radius of a city of 300K or more.

    Rocket River
     
  16. mtbrays

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    A private business would never deliver mail to somebody living in rural Alaska. The USPS does.

    It should not be compared to private industry because its purpose is different.
     
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    Bingo!
    Sometimes success is not measured in Dollars
    The service is the currency

    Rocket River
     
  18. JuanValdez

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    Taking it under the Commerce Dept is going in the wrong direction. I'd go the other way and privatize. Eliminate the monopoly on letter delivery. Important mail all comes by email anyway. The government is supporting 300 million trash boxes for which there is a whole industry devoted to printing paper no one will look at. It was an invaluable government service when it was created and has a proud role in American history. But, it's obsolete now and has outlived its usefulness.

    Putting on my fake economist hat, postal service used to be a natural monopoly. Like electric service, it made no sense to invest enormous capital in redundant delivery systems that competed with one another for business and for easements. So they made the USPS like a regulated utility -- they get a protected monopoly in return for regulated rates. Since then, substitute products (couriers, package delivery, email and the internet generally) have obviated the natural monopoly. So why provide regulatory protection for a monopoly that is not a monopoly?

    I'm not swayed by the argument of rural communities and far-flung native american tribes needing their post office to get any delivery. I'd rather have a law requiring private carriers to provide that service (and build that cost into their pricing strategies) than a government-owned company providing the service at huge national expense. I also think communities would develop systems to cope when it becomes necessary to do so. It doesn't exist right now because it doesn't have to. Heck, if it's communities in Alaska or Montana that would be most hurt by it, maybe the state creates the Alaska Postal Service or Montana Postal Service and they contract with Fedex and Amazon and UPS to do the last mile of delivery, subsidized by Alaskan and Montanan taxpayers. No reason it has to be federal.
     
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