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RIP Chester Bennington

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by Snow Villiers, Jul 20, 2017.

  1. Jontro

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    good choice breh, glad you made it out like a champ. you're never alone when you're a cfer.
     
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    Holyshitt....

     
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  3. Mathloom

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    For those who are depressed, the idea that their mind is made up about suicide except for the lingering issue of the sympathy and devastation of their loved ones... that feels like jail and often exacerbates their depression. It is an almost impossible mental state that others can't understand any more than an average person understands how to conduct open chest heart surgery. And people who feel that way have seen people get over deaths in their families, they have seen people laughing it up at funerals, and they have seen people even poking fun at suicides in real life or even on the internet. This is not to say those people are assholes, but just to say a depressed person observes these things very keenly. They know, for a fact (in their mind at least), that a tragedy doesn't compare to life-long daily suicidal thoughts.

    In Bennington's case, we talk about the 6 kids without understanding what the situation was. Just based on my minimal knowledge of his psychological issues, my guess is that he thought it easier for his family to deal with what has always seemed like a possible outcome. Everyone knew he was abused as a child, everyone knew he was depressed and everyone knew he was abusing various substances regularly. His kids will not understand, but who is their father? An emotionally unstable man, regularly on tour, regularly mentally checked out because of the escapism he sought from acid and other substances. Those kids are still going to be destroyed and devastated, but it's no less devastation than Bennington's own choice, to forego what he once probably thought would be the ray of light in a dark life: seeing his children grow up to become strong adults and spending time with his wife and helping others in the same depths of despair. Certainly, the kids gave up more from our objective perspective. But neither life nor the mind are objective. Bennington seemingly couldn't take one more day of his mind crushing him.

    Does a celebrity's suicide matter more than everyone else's? Of course not. But the fact that someone can scale these heights while being in that condition tells me that they exerted an unimaginable amount of will to escape. In hindsight, he focused that energy in the direction of music and family and charity to escape what was killing him slowly and he got further along in his efforts than most non-depressed people will. Give me a person who helps thousands of suicidal and depressed kids over a person who raises one kid of his/her own.

    That's probably the final thought. For years, it was him and his friend Chris Cornell telling kids all over the world that there is hope. "Just look at us" they said. "You can do anything" they said. But one day he realized he can't hide it anymore, and he can't keep telling kids to fight when he feels like he is losing the fight everyday. And then his closest friend tapped out. And it was just him and the darkness. And the jail of living for others not to be sad.

    I saw in the writing a man torn between screaming out his demons, making music for others to scream out their demons, and also the compromises for some piece of **** corporate exec somewhere. RIP to a legend, even though I wasn't a huge fan of their music like most. But I understand. I hope his family is coping relatively well.
     
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    I've seen Linkin Park twice and I have to say they were the best performers I've ever seen.

    I honestly think half their songs sound better live than some over produced studio versions
     
  5. Yung-T

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    Just listened to their latest album for the first time and damn, it is really foreshadowing and you can see how troubled Chester was.
    This is one of his last performances, it nearly seems as if he's saying goodbye to everyone:

     
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    I actually think Emily Armstrong is a solid replacement but I do feel like the new album isn’t doing the relaunch of the group any justice and her in particular. There are like 3 songs that feel fully baked and it feels more like an EP with a ton of filler or b-sides.

    I get they were excited about getting back together and doing live shows again but I think it would have been better to spend some more time to write better songs to launch their tour with more good songs instead of having to put the pressure on her to sing all of Chester’s hits like she’s in a cover band. I think it undermines her a bit.
     
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    There are just certain people you cannot replace
    You might as well start with a new name

    I think Grohl being FOO FIGHTERS rather than Kurt-Less Nirvana
    was a great win and enabled us to connect to the new grouping

    It says nothing about her or her abilities
    but Fans will always be "Not my Linkin Park"

    Rocket River
     
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  10. dobro1229

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    Yeah totally. The question has always been about how good Mike Shinoda is without Chester and the guys. I think he’s good as Linkin Parks chief who leads the team in the studio, but is he talented to go truly do his own thing like Grohl did with FF. The answer seems to be no and so I do think LP will have trouble if Emily A. can’t elevate them on the next album.

    That being said, I have a pre-teen daughter who knows nothing about Chester era LP and absolutely loves the new LP because she really digs the new lead singer at her age giving her an alternative to the Taylor Swift/Sabrina Carpenters of the pop world.

    So Shinoda and co. did make a good sort of marketing decision here IMO… but also so did Disney with the new Star Wars Trilogy but the longterm execution still matters. 45 year old dudes hate these decisions but guess what… my pre-teen daughter has a lot more live shows, movies, and trips to Disney world to make than us 40 year old dudes have left in us.

    If LP has a solid record and has great songs I have no doubt that LP will do really well for many more years. But they gotta put out good stuff. Can’t go on forever just playing Numb and Crawling along with 1 new song only.
     
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  11. daywalker02

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    Listen to The Emptiness Machine......as long as Shinoda is still producing and writing the materials.

    They are alive ....not well but alive.

    But yeah, I would not mind a name change as well.

     
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    Great Point, the dude who replaced Steve Perry in Journey is really good but he's not Steve Perry and the band simply isn't Journey without Perry..........if RUSH ever tried to replace Neil Peart, they would not be RUSH in my eyes
     

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