Again, I said he rebounded well. Shooting and passing wise he was bad. If FVV put up 24 points on 47% ts with 41.7 usage and had 2 assists with 8 turnover, then that would be a bad performance. Do you think that only a superstar can get 2 assists and 8 turnovers and score 24 points on horrific efficiency when they take 21 shots and have the ball in their hands a huge amount of the game ( 41% useage)? If Brooks had that statline, would you think it was a good game? Of course not. Terrible efficiency is terrible regardless.
Exactly. Sengun contributes more in his bad games than he gets credit for. I remember when he got hurt we went in a stretch of games from allowing 40 points in the paint to allowing 70 in the paint untilSengun came back, but all you hear is he is a supposedly bad defender from the Senhaters. Last night he was blitzing Ant at just the right moments in the 4th, forcing him to give up the ball as part of our defensive scheme, which is great for a center that is supposedly slow footed. Heck, that Senhater you quoted always talks about his "eye test", yet he completely ignored the huge block Sengun had discounted in the 2nd quarter because McDaniels had an offensive goaltending after the block for hanging on the rim. Shows how flawed these sissies are with their "eye test" that the only time the eye test would actually count (Sengun with a huge block) is when they choose to ignore it to support their biased opinions. These are the "so-called" fans that all they do is just try to tear down our players that help us win games because they are not perfect every single game. It's so predictable it's hilarious, as they pollute all game threads talking more about the player they hate than how our team keeps making plays and keeps on winning.
Absolute nonsense, and that's my exact point. If Brooks - a "good" player - put up 24/12 in a close win over a good opponent, the vast majority of the board would be saying things like, "He had a great game aside from some poor efficiency!" However, when Sengun puts up those numbers, we get people in here complaining about him having a "bad" game. Which is fine - it was. But the fact that this happens proves he is more than just a "good" player. You can't have your cake and eat it too. You can't say Sengun is merely a "good" player and also harp on a 24/12 game in which he was +10 while guarding Ant at the end. You overanalyze great players, not good ones.
@aelliott has done this exact argument against Jalen and everyone agrees/likes his analysis, I'm pretty sure @Houston77 would agree with him there. Aelliott does this argument against Sengun and hes all of a sudden talking absolute nonsense. Its the hypocritical dichotomy of CF and the stupid Sengun vs Green narrative around here where everyone picks a side. Aelliott is just providing a non biased analysis of Senguns game last night. Sengun was not very good last night, and thats OK. If your getting defensive of Sengun, just imagine if Green had 8 to's on 2 assists and scored 24pts on 21 shots. He would be getting massacred, hell he is getting blasted for the 4 he had. Sengun still contributed and hit clutch FTs and a clutch bank shot.
You obviously don’t know me well. I think many on this board are too critical of Jalen and Sengun. Both are been pretty fantastic this year given their ages. And my criticism isn’t of the analysis, but rather using it to conclude that Sengun is merely a “good” player. It’s a dumb conclusion.
When is this guy going to stop playing like Landale Can’t score around the rim, stuck in the mud on D, Made the allstar game as a gift for our record, this is hard to watch
Brooks is an role player. Sengun, Green and Amen are all better than him. If you think my saying that Sengun is a good player means that he's equivilent to Brooks, then that's incorrect. If anyone puts up 24 points and has 2 assists with 8 turnovers on 21 shots and 41% usage. Its a bad game. Sengun is a very good player but he's not a star. We currently don't have a star on our roster. If Jalen green scored 24 pts on 47% ts% and had 2 assists with 8 turnovers, he'd be getting crucified on cf. Bad game is a bad game. 47% ts is terrible. 2 assisys with 8 turnovers is terrible. There's really no way to spin that otherwise. Also. Sengun didn't guard edwards. He completely left his man and double teamed. He was the closest defender to Ant on one of his shots in the 4th quarter. Brooks was the primary defender on Edwards. You can't pretend like he just stepped out and was the primary defender on Edwards. I've been on this board and it's predecessor since 1997. Please show me a single instance where I have ever claimed that a player with a ts% under 50% and 4 times as many turnovers as assists had a good game.
I think you have a hard time reading. I never said you would say that was a good game. You’re obviously an overly critical person. I’m talking about the vast majority of rational fans. And the mentality you display is one of my least favorite among nba fans. If a player isn’t a “star,” then all he can be is “good.” It is an absurd, indefensible position, and particularly ignorant when analyzing young prospects.
If Jokic and Doncic played for Ime, they'd be defensive juggernauts and their assists per game would go down to under 5.
Agree Sengun is better at passing and taking care of the ball than last night. For the season, tied at 2nd with Amen (as a started) behind FVV AST TOV AST to TOV Fred VanVleet 5.8 1.6 3.63 Amen Thompson 4.8 2.5 1.92 Alperen Sengun 4.8 2.5 1.92 Jalen Green 3 2.6 1.15
The way Ime plays Alp on defense is exactly how he played Rob Williams with the Celts when they went to the Finals and fielded best defense in NBA. Timelord was the favorite to win DPOY that season in that same roamer role until he got hurt and the award was defaulted to Smart. Jabari or Dillon plays the Horford role, defending the 5.
The turnovers and missed layups were ugly. But he did have a positive overall impact to the game. He is still a very important part of our offense, although I wish he'd start his moves more quickly and there'd be more player movement when he had the ball. On defense, he's not very good at switching in the perimeter. But he's very effective in trapping. Last night blitzing Ant was key to our 4th quarter success. Sengus has a good sense in the timing and angle in trapping the ball handler. That's why Ime kept him in for 35 minutes even though he struggled at making shots.
Random observation Sengun seems to cry after every play. I know Eric Gorden was one of his mentors but my goodness it’s hard to watch at times.
Sengun turned the ball over 8 effing times. He missed at least 5 layups. He had to step up in the fourth because his lousy play earlier made a blowout into a nailbiter.
I do think 4 of his turnovers were a result of uncalled fouls, but he is going to have to get stronger with the ball, because Rockets in the playoffs are going to get absolutely no calls, especially if we are playing the Lakers or Clippers in the first round which looks more and more likely.
I’ve been a Sengun fan since he joined the rockets. He’s actually regressed this year and the statistics show it. The eye test shows it. Beyond the poor offensive efficiency, he’s made no strides in his mid-range and long-range shooting; critical skills for Sengun to unlock that next step to stardom. I’ve seen some progress defensively but the overall effort has been inconsistent. The truth is Sengun is not improving at the same rate others like Bari and Amen are. Even Jalen has improved more this year than Sengun. At the money he’s making, he needs to be better; it’s just that simple. The year after yo sign your near max extension is not the year to regress. I expect more from Sengun and I want to see better play in March and April. It’s just not good enough. And anyone who can’t handle honest takes about Sengun needs to get help. I love the guy and think he can be a great #2 on a championship team, but not if he can’t shoot (or play passable D, or finish around the rim). I’ve never entertained the idea of trading Sengun. I still think he and Amen are our best prospects. But that’s because I honestly believed Sengun would improve the shooting over time. I’ve seen no evidence this will happen, and that makes me nervous. If Sengun can’t develop the shooting he’s not gonna be a star. It’s that simple. We are paying him to be a star, not to be “good”.
