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Trump signs executive orders limiting power of agencies

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  1. raining threes

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    Ok he got around the SCOTUS decision

    Trump's doing the same thing and you dont like this very much when the shoe's on the other foot. Trump hasn't broken any laws.
     
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  2. GOATuve

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    He'll never acknowledge that.
     
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  3. Commodore

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    No he did not go around the decision. Trump is ignoring the decision.
     
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    And you;ll never acknowledge the truth
     
  7. raining threes

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    He absolutely figured out a way to go around the decision.

    According to the article Trump isn't breaking any laws, he's just pushing the boundaries and that's what you dont like. Well I guess what you really dont like is Trump and the people that work for him are going to tear the bureaucracy to the ground. You dont even like the fact that in 30 days he's cut 511 billion in waste fraud and he's just getting started. It's this kind of stuff that he was elected to fix and he's carrying out his campaign promises which you also dont like. Well let me tell you this, the things he promised are going to happen one way or another within the next 2 years and he's off to a great start.
     
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    Lol Republicans you guys voted in a dictator. Hope you're happy now.

    You'll be oppressed and have your freedoms taken away just like everyone else.
     
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    What truth? Yours? Yeah I won't like or subscribe to that line of thinking. The left is garbage
     
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    Know. People didn't want garbage like Kamala. You lost. Cry more
     
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    This is why people can't stand Dems now
     
  12. Os Trigonum

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    link will work for everyone

    https://www.wsj.com/opinion/donald-...b?st=LEyMiq&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

    Trump’s Executive-Power Restoration
    His bold order putting ‘independent agencies’ under White House control echoes the Founders.
    By The Editorial Board
    Updated Feb. 20, 2025 at 7:35 pm ET

    In case you haven’t noticed, President Trump is trying to assert control over the entire executive branch of government, for better or worse. His latest effort is an executive order published Tuesday that imposes new White House supervision over so-called independent agencies like the Securities and Exchange Commission. This could be a constitutional watershed.

    The federal government includes dozens of agencies that are nominally independent of the President even though they enforce laws and exercise other executive power. This wasn’t part of the original constitutional design.

    Such agencies took root during the Progressive Era of the early 20th century. Woodrow Wilson in particular disliked the Constitution and wanted government by bureaucratic experts shielded from political control. Thus evolved today’s government alphabet soup of the SEC, FCC, FTC, FEC, CFTC, CFPB, FERC, FDIC, the Federal Reserve, and more.

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    A century of evidence refutes Wilson’s premise, and Mr. Trump is now challenging it head-on. His argument, echoed by many modern conservative scholars, is that insulation from presidential authority runs counter to Article II’s command that the President “take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed.” If Congress has charged such agencies with enforcing laws, then the President should be able to supervise how they do their job.

    As Mr. Trump’s order explains, “previous administrations have allowed so-called ‘independent regulatory agencies’ to operate with minimal Presidential supervision. These regulatory agencies currently exercise substantial executive authority without sufficient accountability to the President, and through him, to the American people.”

    No more. His order requires these agencies to submit proposed and final rules to the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs in the White House. OIRA, which is part of the Office of Management and Budget (OMB), will review rules to ensure their cost-benefit and legal analysis is rigorous and that they hew to Mr. Trump’s priorities. His order notably includes the Fed’s financial regulation, though not its interest-rate or monetary policy functions.

    Mr. Trump’s order also states that OMB “shall establish performance standards and management objectives for independent agency heads” and adjust their funding “by activity, function, project, or object, as necessary and appropriate, to advance the President’s policies and priorities.”

    This will give the President enormous leverage over agency leaders and their priorities. OMB could block agency money for rule-makings or enforcement activities—say, crypto regulation—that don’t jibe with Mr. Trump’s policies.

    Progressives are calling this a power grab, but if so it is restoring the vision of the Founders who gave the President control over the executive branch. Today that control can be divided, as it is on antitrust policy, for example. The Federal Trade Commission and Justice Department both enforce antitrust and consumer protection laws. But the Attorney General answers to the President, while the FTC Chair doesn’t. This makes no logical governing sense.

    Mr. Trump’s order also has the virtue of making clear that increasingly these “independent” agencies aren’t really independent. After Barack Obama endorsed regulating broadband providers as common carriers, his FCC Chair Tom Wheeler promulgated a net-neutrality rule that did so. Does anyone believe Mr. Wheeler was acting independently? Or that the FTC sued Meta at the end of Mr. Trump’s first term without the President’s blessing?

    Joe Biden issued executive orders “encouraging” various independent agencies to “consider” issuing regulations—for instance, an FTC ban on non-compete agreements. They followed his orders. He also added agency heads to White House policy councils to coordinate with cabinet departments. Mr. Trump’s order is in that sense truth in advertising.

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    The larger significance of all this is political accountability. The President is elected and thus accountable to the public in a way that heads of agencies aren’t. Yet these bureaucracies have vast power over the lives and livelihoods of Americans. When they exceed their authority, a President should be able to hear and represent public complaints.

    This Trump order therefore may be his most important for the future of U.S. governance. It seems designed to tee up a legal challenge that gives the Supreme Court an opportunity to revisit its rulings going back to the 1930s that upheld the constitutionality of independent agencies. The Justices most recently danced around this in Seila Law (2020), when they struck down removal protections for the director of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.

    Congress would still have its power of the purse, oversight, and advice and consent over nominees. A unitary executive might even persuade Congress to write clearer laws and retake some of the power it has ceded to the executive—on trade, for example.

    The great constitutional issue at stake here is political accountability in a government of separated powers.

    Appeared in the February 21, 2025, print edition as 'Trump’s Executive-Power Restoration'.


     
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    There's only one truth. You can call it garbage and choose to live in a fantasy. But facts are facts.

    This isn't about left or right, it's about fundamental American values around liberty and what this country was founded and created as over the course of 250 years.
     
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    @GOATuve is a clown. p***y didn't vote in the last election but loves stickin' it to DA DEMS. p***y ass b****.
     
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    And adding onto this, he's like but I don't like Trump either! Such a p***y.
     
  16. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    I think he's a decent person even if I think he is misguided. But that doesn't mean we call each other names or get mad at people we disagree with.

    Ultimately, if we are worried about the future of our country, we need to persuade people we disagree with to address our concerns and see what we see, or otherwise we are playing into the hands of those who capitalize on division.
     
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    I tune out as soon as soon as someone starts a profanity laced tirade.
    It's all good to disagree but no need to debase those who we do not know.
    People can disagree and still be civil I think, but again this is the D&D
     
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    If all we are here is to call people names and try to score points, then that's a pathetic waste of time in my opinion. We forget we are not each others enemies.
     
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    So in the 1st 30 days he's cut 511 billion dollars of waste and fraud. He froze money until the forensic audit is completed, exactly what has he done in the last 30 days that's against the laws or what a dictator would do?

    Saving money = Dictatorship? LMAO

    He's going to do away with the deep state, cut the numbers/power of the un-elected 4th branch of the govt (Administrative Branch) It's about time.
     
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    I'm pretty sure the programs that Trump is cutting wasn't around in our founding fathers time. I seem to remember to the best of of a persons ability in there somewhere.No where did they mention the govt would take care of anybody especially from cradle to grave. People were expected to figure out how to survive on their own.

    I cant believe people are against cutting govt waste. Well actually I can believe a certain type of person can be against this, so I guess I shouldn't really be surprised.
     
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