The fight against authoritarianism won't be won in D.C.

We are literally seeing the neo liberal husk of the DNC being in charge for the past 3 decades turn the party into a feckless party that has zero teeth and we got clowns b****ing about Bernie Sanders.

This country is cooked.

@Reeko maybe Liz Cheney can save us?

 

the progressive to right wing pipeline is hilarious but not surprising when everything u do is a performative grift

 

If I can, I would like to note that the term "Leftist" is kind of a loaded label, and glosses over a very diverse set of people in the world.

Here in the US, with voters we have a collection of what I would call "Pro Democracy". Some of those sub groups as an example are:

-Older Bernie supporters (mostly focused on healthcare, and social services benefits)
-Young liberals (grew up with mass shooting drills, have trans friends they care about, etc.)
-African Americans (more socially conservative/moderate, but care about benefits, and social freedoms, etc.)
-Latino/Hispanic (very socially conservative, but care about social freedoms, more economically conservative, etc.)
-College educated middle class (the most pragmatic group.... maybe too pragmatic. People like me that voted for Biden because they were trying to be strategic about what would appeal to all of the other subgroups)
-Former Republicans (those who left the train, care about Democracy, and that's about all they have in common with classic Liberals)

and of course there are probably even sub groups of those sub groups, and I probably missed a few big ones.

But all of those subgroups will be lumped together by Trump Activists like SpaceGhost as "Leftists" simply because they all are united around the concern about our country becoming an autocracy, and us losing our freedoms because of that. So I would ask that we be a little more careful to not fall under the framework that MAGA activists want us to lumping everyone together as a form of demonizing who MAGA believes to be the enemy of their cause.

Anyways... sorry.... just had to go on that rant. I'm really just talking about the older Bernie voters who are a little too fixated on Medicare because that's really their big issue in life they care about... for good reason I guess.

 

Funny thing is there actually is a media pipeline of progressive to right wing grift with media personalities.


And it has everything to do with the money.

Steven Crowder called a 50 million dollar contract he would receive from the Daily Wire a slave contract because the contract said he could be let go if he says anything that hurts the company.

Find a leftist media group like the Majority Report or Cool Zone Media throwing around 50 million dollar contracts to media talent.

Right wing media has billionaire backers. TYT is now sponsored by Poly Market which is backed by Peter Theil.

Guys like Dave Rubin, Cenk etc are going after the money.

Leftist media doesn't have spaces for 50 million dollar contracts. They don't have the Koch industries throwing money at them.

 

Yes "old Bernie supporters" care about healthcare. Radical rascals they are.

 

@Reeko , it seems your range of interactions with leftist Bernie supporters is social media. Have you tried interacting with Bernie supporters doing mutual aid at the Darien Gap?

It seems like you don't meet leftists at the spaces they do actual work which is not on a desk chair but outside with things like mutual aid efforts. You seek out social media poo flinging. You don't seek out the places where people do actual work because that light hurt your feelings.

 

The GOP's last chance to grow a spine is stopping Kash Patel's appointment. Otherwise Trump will have his own Gestapo and they are done.

 

Not sure I agree with that at all respectfully. Older liberal people whose biggest concern is Medicare and Social Security are some of the most reliable voters we have. That's really Bernies real base.

However when he ran in 2016 he did pick up sort of the younger wing of Bernie's base that yes does include very unreliable performative people like the Young Turks guy. Most of the young normal people who were looped in though (Think AOC types) I do think are pretty reliable, but can maybe be fickle on issues like pro-Palestinian purity test people like the idiots in Dearborn.

But these are subgroups. All in all though, I think labeling them all as "Bernie Supporters" is not accurate. He does have subgroups that are pretty damn reliable as voters.

 

Exactly... they are some of the most reliable Bernie Supporters out there, and yet people like to lump all Bernie Supporters as a monolith and hoist up the Young Turks guy and Rashida Thalib as representatives of the whole which just isn't accurate.

Most Bernie supporters are fixated on Medicare, and SS though which usually means they are older liberals, and very reliable voters. Not the caricature of a monolith they are made out to be.

 

All these opinion based political "media" companies are grifters. People need to look beyond left v right.

 

Dude... People in Dearborn have jobs. They work 50 hour weeks sometimes.

That means the ability to be conned by political actors is easy. When you don't have time to be political junkies, things like name recognition go a long ways. If you are mostly apoltical laborer who works 50 hour weeks and don't follow modern politics at all and just know Palestinians are being slaughtered....

And you hear the DNC is parading a person with the last name Cheney where almost any brown person on the planet knows of as a war mongering Muslim killer and literally the week of the election brought in Bill Clinton to speak in Michigan and literally say all places like the West Bank belongs to "Judea and Samaria" (straight up Mike Huckabee levels of unhinged rhetoric)


And you hear this other dude talk about how they will have a ceasefire immediately when he's in office, ya you will assume the other side cares less about Gaza.


And this is where I tell you "why are you not blaming the people in power who made these horrible decisions?"

Why do we blame voters and not the leaders? Are we like right wing reactionaries punching down blanking the powerless and not the powerful?

 

Okay. Give me some suggestions

 

What is your deal with Rashida Talib?

Buddy I think you are taking some wrong lessons from what has gone on the past few years.

The young Turks is a media company. That's it. It has no bearing on leftism. There are many employees who hate their boss currently or quit. Leftism is far more than the Young Turks.

 

What about viewing how they align with "pro democratic" vs "Pro authoritarian"??

If you are someone who cares about that distinction shouldn't there be a line in the sand where you do make a distinction, and don't just knowingly subject yourself to bad faith arguments from pro-autocratic outlets & activists you know are not aligned with your interest??

I get it that we want to seem cool, and open minded where we can tell people I'm not "Left or Right... I'm an INDEPENDENT!!" but right now shouldn't there be a line in the sand that stresses the importance of that key differentiator??

I know I know... people don't really care about the whole Democracy thing, and just care about putting food on the table, and football, etc. etc. I get it... Americans are apathetic, but maybe also us smarter people who know the data (there are no healthy economies for the working/middle class in autocratic countries) shouldn't be letting that apathy off the hook since we should know that there is a correlation between our ability to live a normal life, and having basic freedoms that come from living in a free society, and not a corrupt autocracy.

 

I would say leftism is the solution to our ceiling democracy.


Why? Analyze what has caused democracy to crumble.



Accumulation of capital creating entities too powerful for democratic institutions....

Now what ideology is most principled in tackling that specific problem?

We have a feckless opposition party because they agree with many aspects of wealth account and therefore never can be true opposition to capital accumulation. The opposition party agrees with most of the fascist' economic desires. They just want to be as mean.

 

I think you missed the entire premise of what I was saying and turned it on its head.

Let me be clearer and restate-

The term "Leftist" should not be used to lump everyone together as a monolith. You are playing into the hands of MAGA activists when you do what you are doing here. I'm just saying there is a very big difference between what people think of a Free Palestine single issue activist in Deerborn, and the typical older 75 year old white man from Scranton who likes Bernie because he's worried about Medicare.

There is nothing WRONG with any of them. Stop trying to create that division that I was clear about. If you are pro-democracy and freedom, you are perfectly acceptable to roll with me any day of the week.

 

So what's your problem with Rashida Talib?

 

his subgroups that are reliable aren’t large enough to matter…in 2020, Joe Biden absolutely dominated Sanders with voters over the age of 45 by 40-50 points in many states, and those are the most reliable voters

with the younger wing of his supporters, a lot of them don’t even vote, and a number of them actually voted Trump in 2016 and 2024…AOC did a live right after the election where she asked voters who voted for Trump, but also her as well, or voted for Trump but then voted blue down the rest of the ballot what their reasoning was, and some of the responses were so stupid…these people are braindead

Don’t even get me started on the pro-Palestine idiots. They’d gladly see this country go to hell and see a bunch of different people suffer over Gaza, while voting to ensure its destruction. Then they want people to go out and protest with them and be “allies”…meanwhile, these cowards won’t even protest a republican or put any pressure on Trump because they’re too scared…everything they do is performative and to garner likes on social media

 

We all lost, fool.

 

And why do you blame a "single issue voter" for Palestinians and not blame the people in power that created a situation that created that single issue voter in the first place?


Part of democracy is blaming leaders not voters. Leaders signed off on ordinance that killed Gazan children. Not the single voter activist.

This is what I mean by the "wrong lessons". The blame game of voters thinking "wrongly" rather than blanking the people who created the situation in the first place.