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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Nov 25, 2018.

  1. Tomstro

    Tomstro Member

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    By Zelenskys own admission almost half the money we said we sent to his country is missing..
    Outright stolen

    Weapons we sent to Ukraine to fight Russia were then smuggled and sold to the cartels.

    It’s the very definition of corruption and laundering.
     
  2. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    Not all the money goes to Ukraine. Most of the money remains here

    https://www.csis.org/analysis/where-missing-100-billion-us-aid-ukraine
     
  3. rimrocker

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    Without telling me, show me you haven't read a history book in your life. Your boy Neville was also ending wars and creating peace back in the day, right? Riyadh rhymes with Munich, Ukraine rhymes with Sudetenland. And really, you don't think a stated American policy of ethnic cleansing to make a seaside resort for the wealthy in Gaza might have some unintended consequences that might steer towards the violent?

    As for Ukraine and Israel, it's easy to forget a few things. First, it was not at all certain when they started that both would stay confined and not spread. The Ukrainians surprised everyone by pushing the Russians back which provided time for American diplomacy to coordinate an international response, arm Ukraine, expand NATO, and as much as possible, isolate Russia economically. That was not an easy set of tasks. As for Israel, a lot of folks were assuming the Middle East would see multiple Arab/Muslim countries go to war with Israel, but again, deft American diplomacy kept a lid on things. Whether those were the right calls and the best options has yet to be seen, but at the time, there's a strong argument that they were indeed the best of bad choices. But as with all of your ilk, nuance is lost on your uncluttered minds.
     
  4. Invisible Fan

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  5. dmoneybangbang

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    Your cause and effect is off.....

    Former soviet countries prefer NATO/West over the Russians due to decades of terror, killing, and human rights violations.
     
  6. Space Ghost

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    Ahhh so we are back to the narrative Russia is well armed and very capable of taking over Europe.

    Last week, Russia was weak, pathetic and on the verge of collapsing and now surrendering because Ukraine is kicking their ass.

    You guys switch back and forth with every other post on these narratives.
     
  7. rimrocker

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    RIF. At the beginning of the invasion, it was widely thought Russia would roll over Ukraine in a matter of days, take a little time to consolidate and kill off politicians and resistors, then move on to Moldova or maybe even the Baltics. That they have stupidly bled themselves since does not change the dynamics of those first few hours.
     
  8. JuanValdez

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    As the expression goes, if you're not at the table, you're on the menu. Obviously, Trump is looking to wring concessions out of Europe and Ukraine, not out of Russia.

    Ukraine doesn't have to stop fighting just because they lose the US. But, I think there is a risk that the US will make a deal with Russia to put pressure on Ukraine to take the L. He can put sanctions on Ukraine that would wreck what's left of their economy an undermine their fighting ability.
     
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  9. rimrocker

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    Interesting chart, though that should be a NATO flag instead of an EU flag.

    [​IMG]
     
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  11. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    With the GOP it is always about money, never about honor or integrity, insult their wife? no, problem pay em off later, such morally bankrupt people.

    DD
     
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  12. dmoneybangbang

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    Critical thinking and reading comprehensive aren’t your strong suit.

    You conservatives sure do love your Russians
     
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  13. dmoneybangbang

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    Right wing Christian nationalism produced strange bedfellows
     
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  14. Nook

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    Good - that refinery is being used by Russian forces to fuel their continued encroachment into Ukraine. I am glad that they have been blown up. Russian is wrongfully in Ukraine.


    Well, they have so far kept the Russians from take Ukraine, despite hearing for years now that Russia cannot lose this war.... so they must not be that big of morons.


    That isn't part of the US infrastructure - they are global companies that trade on the NASDAQ. If they were part of the US infrastructure, they would not be in Russia.

    They are trying to start a war? Who invaded who? Who has threatened to use nuclear weapons. The aggressors are the Russians - they are the bad guys in this battle. They are attempting to take over a Sovreign democracy because they are butt hurt the Ukranian people did not support being a vassal state for Russia.

    The UK and EU are not broke - and they do not want a war. What they want is Russia to not play war games because their economy and quality of life is third world **** and a war distracts their people.
     
  15. rockbox

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    Right wing leadership has been bought and paid for my Putin and his Oligarchs. Tulsi has been a Russian sympathizer for ever. Funny how all these Cubans and Vietnamese keep voting for people bought by the Ruskies.
     
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    Liar liar.
     
  17. Nook

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    I don't know where you are getting your news from but this is false - and whomever you read it from is being purposely misleading.
     
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    Putin is licking his chops
     
  19. Tomstro

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    The president of mexico is asking why the cartels have so much US weaponry.

    Ukraine send their young men in to get shredded by Russian gunfire while profiting off US weaponry that they have sold off to the cartels. Greed. Psychotic.

    The Ukrainian oligarchs are so so corrupt. It’s still like end of Cold War there. Zelenskyy has multiple villas all over Europe.
    Most of their kids are here at US schools.

    Why do you think Biden Inc picked Ukraine to run their grift with Hunter as front man? Easy. Peesy.

    The Bidens had like 20 shell companies. Money sloshing all over.
    No oversight from anything he did from Obama and when Ukraine started investigating Hunter and Burisma gas then Biden as VP demanded Ukraine fire the prosecutor or their USAid money was not being sent back in 2014
    That’s why all the pardons are backdated to 2014.

    Think about that.
    That’s why they immediately went after USAid. It’s the honeypot
     
  20. ROCKSS

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    So let me get this straight, Russia INVADES a sovereign Country, then we go to the aggressor and want to treat them like there our friends...........GTF out of here. There is a grift coming, musk will want the minerals Ukraine has so trumppy will make a deal to pay for protection and if they don't take all the demands russia wants then trump will say he will no longer help and there on their own which to be honest might be the best thing. The EU should stand up to Russia........................for as big and bad as the Russian military is, it's not been able to finish it off, albeit with our superior weapons. I have no doubt trump would be ok if they don't take the deal trump will threaten them that russia may nuke them, and we wont stand in their way. I am still baffled by people who say the entirety of the money goes to Ukraine when were simply getting rid of our own stockpile of weapons and making new weapons keeping the companies in the USA hopping.

    We are out of the business of helping our fellow humans around the world from lunatics like putin, and its pay to play now....................merica first.
     

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