Addition by subtraction, he is not a good player, he is an average one and a great athlete, however his low BBall IQ is a killer. DD
Lakers had KCP who made $8mil. Raptors had Danny Green who made $10mil. Bucks started Divencenzo who made $3mil. If Jalen Green has a contract giving him $35mil/yr.
Not at all (who, ME?). My point was that we don't necessarily need Jalen to be an All-Star if we have All-Stars at a couple of other positions. Titles can be won with not-great talent at one position. That said, at this point we're not sure we have elite players anywhere on the roster. It's all just hopes and wishes. Amen looks like the best bet, but that's not a given.
If you think about the psychology of Jaters, it's a very interesting anomaly: Udoka believes in Jalen >> he's lying Udoka believes there's no fit issue >> he's lying Team wins a lot with Jalen starting >> has nothing to do with him Jalen plays well for half a season >> it's just a streak Jalen improves EXACTLY at the speed and at the things Udoka says he would >> Jaters disappear if you bring this up Jalen gets $100m >> still cherry pick some stats to insinuate he's one of the worst in the NBA at something Jalen leads us in scoring >> they think he's just so powerful in the organization, he can take shots and Udoka can't do anything about it Jalen improves his defense way more than they ever asked >> even though it's half of basketball for scorers and non-scorers alike, it's irrelevant Jalen starts shooting at/near league average on a HUGE volume of 3's >> he's not good at shooting Jalen has no spacing around him >> look how poorly he combines with such and such teammates!! Jalen is the only member of the core who improves his 3 >> let's trade Jalen because we need shooters lol Hahaha no **** he doesn't combine well with them, it's almost like we've been saying to combine him with shooters. It's almost as though the one single time we surrounded him with 1 vertical threat and 3 shooters, he demolished 11 straight teams of the same calibre as us at the time. I still btw have not seen anyone else go HAM on an easy 10 game stretch since James Harden - despite the Jaters telling us it was easy to have the longest winning streak in the NBA for the entire 23-24 season. They're really in a whole other story that has delineated from reality. You know these guys are the ones that always want the JBB's, JVG's of the league to be our coach. They're the kind of people who are more about bark than bite. They don't care if specialist coaches don't win titles, they only care that when people push and shout they don't feel alone as an angry man in the world. Jaters, it's time to slowly pack your things. I warned you to prepare for this ASB, don't act surprised when Jalen erupts and his offensive stats end up much better than any other season in his career. There's NO WAY right? As we sit here on 18 February 2025, you're sure there's absolutely no way that Jalen's season overall will be considered a big improvement by the huge majority of NBA fans, media and analysts? It's my turn now. Proudly: He is what he is.
Agreed, but you can recognize that people like Jalen who will demand a large contract, and it will gum up the ability to pay actual superstar players, so you jettison those players to clear room for others. Jalen is a decent NBA player but he is not a Dude, never will be a Dude, and as such we should trade him for a Dude if possible in order to bring in a Durant.....we need salary match, Jalen will be 35m this summer we need 15m more to match ....so you toss in a Dillon, or a Landale and Tate.....but at least you can get it done. DD
There is one thing that makes you a star or not, basketball iq.... NBA history has seen many athletic,fan hype players coming from college or other areas with low basketball iq, at the end of their careers, they all were at best role players. This is same for Jalen, Jalen is a player that lacks many areas to be that dude. Terrible dribbling,handling, not resilient, in one match l could not have counted how many turnovers he made wnen attempting to dribble.. And he is a guard player, this is scaring. Jalen always has a place in Rockets,but he can never be the star Rockets fans hype about. 4th year and still inconsistency... For me Tier 1: Amen- l believe the highest ceiling player in Rockets, Sengun- the highest iq and varied skillset in Rockets- if adds consistent fadeway and jumpshot, top 10 and halloffamer potential. Tier 2-Tari Tier 3- Jalen, Jabari
I find Green pretty entertaining these 2 years and I am not minding him as much. Do I have other players I prefer more, of course. The discussion about who is Numero Uno or dos can be had in 1-2 years.
We’re gonna have to evaluate players and make decisions in the offseason. There are glaring holes on the roster and we are going to have to balance it. Future financial considerations will necessarily factor in. Jalen is a top candidate to be dealt. He’s making a lot of money, he shoots below average for his position, and he’s not consistent. It’s pretty simple: we need a better shooter at the 2. Overpaying a bad shooter at the 2 is a poor use of our cap. Upgrading our backcourt is the best thing we can do to improve our team. I’d also swap out Fred for Harden or even Kyrie if the opportunity was available this summer.
I have to give props to Jalen Green, he tries hard! The reports from the Rockets is he is a gym rat! He tries to take it to the rack with much more consistency than years past. Though the refs swallow their whistle 90% of the fouls he draws contact…. For Jalen Green it’s a Rodney Dangerfield existence; guy gets no respect!! Jalen is averaging 20 points a game, but should be getting to the line at least 2 - 3 more times a game, which would get him another 4 or 5 points. Because Jalen is such a chill person, he loos like a nice guy, the refs don’t acknowledge the contact he gets, unless there are legit punches. A finess player that is still only 22 and has shown a lot of growth on defense. I would say ride with Jalen because we’ve seen when he is going in all cylinders, he’s darn near unstoppable. If the Rockets decided to trade him in the offseason, it obviously because they have an inclination that they know what they are doing. Though it’s still a high likelihood Jalen explodes into superstardom; he’s shown stretches where everyone thinks he’s the best player on the court and can do anything he wants at will. But then we get clunker and chucker Jalen Green that fades into the background for stretches on end. So, 4 years into the experiment, we know he’s a legit NBA player, but he is still trying to establish the niche of a player he is going to be. If NBA coaches love one thing, it is know their players can be consistent and counted upon as steady reliable. That which Jalen is definitely not at this time.
Thanks.. I’d missed that he just turned years. So he’s at that level that his body is filling out into what it’s going to be and that’s gonna be it…. No more pies in the sky stuff; regardless Green got paid handsomely this offseason. Jalen haters and apologists each still have valid points. As a Rockets fan with semi-rose colored glasses, I still am hopeful that Green takes the bull by the horn and becomes an efficient 3 point shooter, which will open the lane for his dunks!
I guess the questions moving forward are going to be twofold: 1) Is Jalen's shooting improvement for real and the start of a trend, or just a hot streak? Jury is still out for me. He's at 35% on the season after being around 36% a handful of games ago. So it's been coming back down lately, but he's been banged up. If he can bring it back up and then carry the improvement into next season, maybe we've got something cooking and we don't need to worry so much about getting enough spacing at the 2 spot. 2) But if it's not for real, is it better to add shooters around Jalen or trade Jalen to improve our shooting? I would argue that a poor-shooting JG is clearly behind Sengun and Thompson in importance, and it's not really close. We look terrible when he's shooting poorly, regardless of who you pair him with on our current roster. He just doesn't have the same level of passing ability as Sengun or Thompson, and I'd argue his rim pressure and defensive value are also behind both of them. The only thing that can bring him up to their level is if he's a good jump shooter--he can always generate a good look, but he has to actually make them. So I would certainly trade him before trading either of them if he's not shooting well. And I'm not convinced the three can play together if JG isn't shooting well either--hell, I'm not sure Alpi and Amen can even play together. I expect a lot of the front office's decisionmaking regarding Green will depend on what his outside shooting is looking like at the end of the season and through the playoffs.
Same standards FVV - Cam +5.4 FVV + Cam +16.8 !! AS - Cam +6.8 AS + Cam +9.0 ! AT - Cam 3.4 AT + Cam 4.8 !
I have been curious about Jalen Green and asked some people that would know. The Rockets are not married to Jalen Green and would be willing to upgrade at the position - but there hasn't been anyone that they view as a large upgrade. At this point they are just competing and think the Jalen Green situation will work it's way out one way or another. Also - there isn't any friction between Udoka and Green.
My apprehension is that "the situation will work its way out one way or another" by Jalen Green leaving after next season with nothing in return. Still, that brings me back to your first sentence. If an upgrade presents itself, then jump.
Jalen is in his 4th season. It seems like he’s doing better. But, when I look at his offensive stats, nothing has really changed. It’s kinda remarkable how his stats are almost identical for four straight years. There are some minor differences, but not much.
Might not be the worst thing in the world if that happens. His trade value on his current contract is pretty neutral IMO, so you're not losing a whole lot. If he takes a huge step forward and becomes a legit star I'm sure they'll be happy to pay him whatever he wants. Edit: Oh, by the way, Jalen's player option isn't until 2027-2028 by the way. So we have him locked up for two more seasons, not one.
It does seem that we experienced Jalen's annual heater, just a bit earlier than normal this year. I hope he picks it up to finish the year, but it sure is feeling a lot like the last 3.
