Absolutely not happening and if it does build Stone a statue. There are at least a dozen desperate teams that would throw way more than that at Jabari in RFA.
I have come to accept that shooting has become a special skillset at NBA level.....you can get better at but some player they just pop.....
I think you're right about his open market value, but we do have a little bit of leverage in the whole "if you want an extension right now, this is the deal". There's always risk in playing another season of NBA basketball--he could have a down season, he could get hurt and miss a bunch of games, worst case he could even have a career-altering injury (I hope not, knock on wood). And when a guy hasn't gotten his first big contract yet, that risk is magnified--it's hard to turn down something like $125M when it's staring you in the face.
He’s not really good at anything on offense. His job is to stand in the corner. Poor ball handler with poor basketball IQ. He’s had exactly 33 assists in 33 games. He’s nothing special as a rebounder. I like what he does on defense at times, but he’s not the most physically tuff defender. He’s nice to have in the rotation, and he’s a plus when hitting his three pointers. But, I’m not too excited about paying him anything north of 20mill per year. I know others are more enthusiastic about Jabari, but we can’t pay everyone and I’m not sure Jabari is one I want to pay.
I think they’re gonna pass on paying Tari…too injury prone, weak shooter, and his BBIQ is questionable…I think he’ll be in a trade for any star player they hopefully acquire there’s a good chance Jalen isn’t here long term…he’s for sure the main one on the chopping block in a trade for a star with his salary Cam is just a bench gunner…easily replaceable I think they’ll try to keep Jabari a lot of this “core 7” will be gone
Whatever Jabari gets he should give Sengun half because Sengun is the one giving him open shots... He is nothing without Sengun..
I like Tari but I think it's starting to really look like he's a bad fit given our current needs. We have plenty of defenders, we need shooting and playmaking. If we could trade him straight-up for a young-ish, plus shooter/solid-average defender and playmaker I think I might do it. Coby White? Austin Reaves?
Well any time I can pay $25-30M for a league avg shooting power forward, I gotta do it. Sign me the heck up for some more of that league avg at a much higher cost. Get er dunn Murray!!!!
would love to have Reaves…I just hope all those calls he gets wouldn’t dry up when he’s in Houston man has taken 44 free throws the last 4 games
The Legend of Jabari Smith Jr. Long live the avg shooting PF. Jabari Smith Jr. is the Rockets Franchise Player. Max that contract now Stone!!!!!!
I think Jabari will be worth $25m per season but I'd rather match what the market offers him. I think it's a case of we value him more because we literally need a 6'10 PF with a 7'2 wingspan who's switchable, gets stocks and can hit 3's. If we didn't have Jabari, we'd be looking for him. If the market says he's worth $30m, I believe it. Big young two-way players who can make 3's > you simply can't get these under $20m.
Jabari will sign for 100M because of the market and not because he deserves it. We have no choice. I’m more interested in what Tari signs for.
we can offer him 5y/100m,if he wont accept,trade him for real shooter.we have amen and db for wings and we need cap space for amen
So sounds like the consensus so far is between $20-$30 mil. Agreed that somewhere in the $20’s is probably more appropriate than $30. As for the Tari talk, he’s a versatile 3/4 that can switch on anyone and I think still has shooting potential if he can stay on the court. I think k u work out something like Orlando did with Johnathan Issac; something reasonable that provides Tari security but protects the org. We should be able to keep Tari at a value, and that will be good for everyone. You keep Tari.
What @Newlin said. I’m not paying the fifth option $30 freaking million. $25M is pushing it. $37M Sengun $35M Jalen $30M Jabari?? Amen coming up after him. Spoiler https://www.spotrac.com/nba/contracts/_/position/f/sort/average/dir/desc Lauri after his 4th year was S&T to Cleveland. “Lauri Markkanen signed a 4 year, $67,470,906 contract with the Chicago Bulls, an average annual salary of $16,867,727.” (Next year) “Lauri Markkanen signed a 4 year, $195,868,144 contract with the Utah Jazz, an average annual salary of $48,967,036.” “Jonathan Isaac signed a 4 year, $69,600,000 contract with the Orlando Magic, including $52,200,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $17,400,000.” *He did have injury concerns both before & after this deal. (Current) “Rui Hachimura signed a 3 year, $51,000,000 contract with the Los Angeles Lakers, an average annual salary of $17,000,000.” (Current) “Patrick Williams signed a 5 year, $90,000,000 contract with the Chicago Bulls, an average annual salary of $18,000,000.” Aaron Gordon Signed 4 year, $76M after 4th year (Current) “Aaron Gordon signed a 4 year, $86,640,001 contract with the Denver Nuggets, an average annual salary of $21,660,000.” And just signed an extension that’ll start in 2026-27. … “Aaron Gordon signed a 3 year, $103,608,840 contract with the Denver Nuggets, an average annual salary of $34,536,280.” Kyle Kuzma Signed 3 year, $39M (with PO) after 4th year (Current) “Kyle Kuzma signed a 4 year, $90,000,000 contract with the Washington Wizards, an average annual salary of $22,500,000.” Deandre Hunter (Current) “De'Andre Hunter signed a 4 year, $90,000,000 contract with the Atlanta Hawks, an average annual salary of $22,500,000.” Mikal Bridges (Current) “Mikal Bridges signed a 4 year, $90,900,000 contract with the Phoenix Suns, an average annual salary of $22,725,000.” Cam Johnson (Current) “Cameron Johnson signed a 4 year, $94,500,000 contract with the Brooklyn Nets, an average annual salary of $23,625,000.” John Collins (Current) “John Collins signed a 5 year, $125,000,000 contract with the Atlanta Hawks, an average annual salary of $25,000,000.” And they immediately regretted that contract once the ink dried. Every trade deadline and offseason “John Collins is available!” until they were finally able to move him to Utah. And we heard his name again this past deadline. Jaren Jackson Jr. (Current) “Jaren Jackson Jr. signed a 4 year, $104,720,000 contract with the Memphis Grizzlies, an average annual salary of $26,180,000.” Jaden McDaniels (Current) “Jaden McDaniels signed a 5 year, $131,000,000 contract with the Minnesota Timberwolves, including $131,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $26,200,000.” Trey Murphy (Current) “Trey Murphy III signed a 4 year, $112,000,000 contract with the New Orleans Pelicans, an average annual salary of $28,000,000.” Julius Randle Signed 2 year, $17M after 4th year Signed 3 year, $62M (Current) “Julius Randle signed a 4 year, $117,089,280 contract with the New York Knicks, an average annual salary of $29,272,320.” Kristaps Porzingis Signed 5 year, $158M after 4th year (Current) “Kristaps Porzingis signed a 2 year, $60,000,000 contract with the Boston Celtics, an average annual salary of $30,000,000.” Jalen Johnson (Current) “Jalen Johnson signed a 5 year, $150,000,000 contract with the Atlanta Hawks, an average annual salary of $30,000,000.” Khris Middleton Signed 5 year, $70M after 3rd year Signed 5 year, $177M (Current) “Khris Middleton signed a 3 year, $93,000,000 contract with the Milwaukee Bucks, an average annual salary of $31,000,000.” Brandon Ingram (Current) “Brandon Ingram signed a 5 year, $158,253,000 contract with the New Orleans Pelicans, an average annual salary of $31,650,600.” Just signed a 3 year, $120,000,000 contract with the Toronto Raptors, an average annual salary of $40,000,000.” Jerami Grant Signed 3 year, $27M after 4th year Signed 3 year, $60M (Current) “Jerami Grant signed a 5 year, $160,000,000 contract with the Portland Trail Blazers, an average annual salary of $32,000,000.” Michael Porter Jr. (Current) “Michael Porter Jr. signed a 5 year, $179,299,750 contract with the Denver Nuggets, an average annual salary of $35,859,950.” OG Anunoby Signed 4 year, $72M after 4th year (Current) “OG Anunoby signed a 5 year, $212,500,000 contract with the New York Knicks, an average annual salary of $42,500,000.” Scottie Barnes/Evan Mobley/Franz Wagner Each “signed a 5 year, $224,238,150 contract, an average annual salary of $44,847,630.” Domantas Sabonis Signed 4 year, $74.9M after 4th year (Current) “Domantas Sabonis signed a 4 year, $186,016,000 contract with the Sacramento Kings, an average annual salary of $46,504,000.” Pascal Siakam Signed 4 year, $136M after 4th year (Current) “Pascal Siakam signed a 4 year, $188,950,272 contract with the Indiana Pacers, an average annual salary of $47,237,568.”
About right. The tendencies of the rookie extension market are that Jabari and especially Tari are the type of players who get value contracts: low usage, limited offensive creation, missed time due to injury, not flashy, perceived as career role players. Jalen and Sengun are the type of players who tend to get overpaid: high usage, buzzy, limited portability offensive "stars" who are in "potential franchise player" conversations (however unlikely). And the dynamics of our team situation and internal leverage are favorable enough that even Jalen and Sengun were extended for less than the world expected. That internal leverage is even stronger in Jabari and Tari's case. My expectation: ~$25M AAV/5 yrs for Jabari, ~$18M AAV/5 yrs for Tari. Remember, both will have strong motivation to put pen to paper on extensions as soon as possible this summer because it protects them from being included in any trade going out this summer, and cements them as long term parts of a "core" in Houston. Being trade bait for a star would create uncertainty about their big payday. They / their agents don't want that.
I feel like this as well personally. Amen has come in and replaced a lot of what Jabari offers as well outside of a jumper. I think Jabari has been improving, but he’s still relatively average at everything offensively and can’t really create for others. If he becomes and absolute knock down shooter then maybe we get into a high aav, but otherwise I’m good moving him for a star.
I agree with a lot of this. Our “star” package in the summer will consist of Green, Tari and draft capital. Re-sign FVV to a moderately priced three year deal. And personally I think that Smith would jump at an extension at about $26 million for 3 extra years (call it $80) And I would re-sign Adams, While keeping Jock. Hopefully, Alpi would be able to begin to play some power forward. Sengun/Adams/Landale Smith ?/Brooks FVV/Cam Amen
