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Jalen Green will be the Rockets' Numero Uno

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by kpdark, Jan 2, 2024.

  1. Bobbythegreat

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    You missed "I'm mad his net impact to the offensive rating and defensive rating of the team is -11.8 when he's on the court".

    We're a long way away from "he's not a superstar", we're still at "he's not a good player"
     
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    A free throw is the only uncontested shot in basketball. Air balling a free throw is the worst embarrassing action in sports. Never seen Jalen do this ever
     
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    It's much easier for them to believe Green has zero responsibility to make himself a better basketball player. 4 years in and he's still getting benched in games.

    I find it hilarious that 4 years of professional strength training and he's still a ****ing beanpole.
     
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    He's tired. It's called playing through injury
     
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    Sengun had a bandage wrapped around his back earlier this season and the excuse was "he must be playing through injury". Jalen hasn't missed any games last year or this one, so he's definitely playing thru more than any player on the roster. Be grateful we have a durable starting player that's willing to tough it out
     
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    The difference is that Sengun had a drop in performance, Jalen is just playing like he always has with the exception of the few games in his career where he's on a hot shooting streak.
     
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    He isnt uno, future maybe 6.man
     
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    Didn't he dive on the floor the last time they played GS, hit two free throws and won the game?? How quickly we forget. SMH

    Honestly, I think they are mentally and physically drained. If you take away your DISDAIN for Green and put yourself in his shoes, when anyone is PHYSICALLY drained, you can't function properly.

    And if anyone needs a break, it's him! Jabari has had time off, same for Dillon, FVV and Sengun, think about it!
     
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    Green isn’t soft, in all his years as a player - he’s never been accused of being that, now he’s incredibly banged up, Ime even addressed it a couple times - you can see how’s he’s moving and really avoiding contact if he can - has no lift, has no lateral quickness
     
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    They love to jump in here anytime he doesn’t meet their godly expectations, acting as if he’s the only player who has inconsistencies - look at Ant and SGA game last night.

    Then they try and point at the turnovers when he’s not a PG, and he’s still 30th among guards with only 2.5 a game, up from 2.2 before FVV got hurt


    The Top 10 in On-Ball Gravity

    1. Damian Lillard
    2. Jalen Brunson
    3. James Harden
    4. Stephen Curry
    5. Anthony Edwards
    6. Jayson Tatum
    7. Jalen Green <———-
    8. Cade Cunningham
    9. Trae Young
    10. Luka Doncic
     
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    So true, godly expectations like being a net positive player while being on the court. Truly unfair.
     
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    I've never heard of this on-ball gravity stat so decided to google this. The top result I found in relation to something of a gravity ranking had this graph. Which would suggest FVV as being the Rockets Numero Uno. And this tracks too if you ever follow any sort of on/off numbers or record without <insert player> type of stats.

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    Negative overall shooting talent checks out.
     
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    Green is a soft player, not a leader of men......just another super athletic dude who is a piece, but not a KEYSTONE.

    Charmin Green has a booboo....

    DD
     
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    IMG_4202.jpeg
     
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    I've never seen this gravity stuff either and was curious also. To me it felt like nonsense tbh but this graph kinda does illustrate, what I would personally think, would be representative of the best gravity players.

    Really wonder how they come up with it and I like this graph even if i dont truly understand it.
     
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    Jalen is a streaky shooter, when he's hot he's as good as any player in the league, when he's cold he's a hot mess offensively.

    On his 3 point shooting -
    Last year he shot between .000-.300 in 51% of his games and .250 or lower in 31 of those, that's 37.8% of his games below .250

    This year he's on a similar path with ~47% of his games (26) currently below .300 and 21 of those .250 or lower only 55 games into the season. That's 38.1% of his games below .250.

    The 2022-23 season was 30/76 or 39.4% (below .250)
    The 2021-22 season was 26/67 or 38.8%

    Those are point blank poor performances and setting the bar at .250 is being pretty generous and year 4 being within 1.6% of year 1 shows ... little if any improvement in that aspect - the most important aspect of a shooting guards' game - shooting.


    He also has a good number of games where he shoots the lights out .... which raises the season averages to something approaching respectable.

    He's either really good or putrid (as a shooter).

    It's tough to win on nights when your highest volume shooter is playing poorly.
    I pointed these numbers out last year too saying he needs to reduce the number of games he's really bad with less bad and more average, what we see is more of the same - erratic
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    People like to say it's only 1 shot per game over 82 but that's not the reality, it's not that simple - it boils down to 1, 2 or even 3 shots (+/-) in any particular game - in almost 40% of the total games - and none in others.

    I do find it difficult to give up on Jalen though, he could make a GM look silly for trading him .... because it's as simple as finding his shot on a consistent basis and then he's the solution to most of this team's offensive problems.
    I'm not the least bit upset with Stone for extending him .... despite being in the league 4 years now, he's still such a young player and the upside remains, at least for now.
     
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    The only explanation on the website is how much defense pay attention when you have the ball. But looking at that top 10 list and this graph (which is probably an older data) it's just a bunch of players who dribble the ball a lot. Jokic presumably isn't on here because he makes quick decisions with the abll, and Giannis presumably cause he's already dunking on someone before defenses can swarm him. While guys like Brunson, Harden, Lillard are all known to dribble the air out of the ball so defenses can react to them.
     
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    I don’t know who his personal shooting coach is, for where he’s off to help him make the correction - main issue is our offensive sets do nothing to create easy shots for him, outside of catch and shoot 3s from Alpi which he’s been hitting at a good clip.

    He’s the Rockets tough shot taker, over 82 games that does play a part in his % and neither he nor Ime or the Rockets seem to care about that based on (putting him back in games to shoot a last second shot, and then sitting him to continue his rest) He also has the worse whistle in the league, which he’s somewhat also responsible for.

    He needs to get stronger to be able to use his forearms and shoulders, that will also help with his balance on shots - since he’s been hurt I noticed his shots start off short, and as game goes on they become long cause he’s overcompensating

    if he can get healthy and go on a nice tear to end the year and into playoffs I think that will give a better reading on his growth
     
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    So where does this Jalen Green #7 at on-ball gravity come from? Someone just made it up?
     

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