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The Official 2nd Term Trump corruption thread

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by astros123, Jan 7, 2025.

  1. HP3

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    BECAUSE YOU CANNOT DO IT WITHOUT CONGRESS. I dont know how many times I have to say this. He's getting rid of agencies BASED ON WHAT HIS DEPARTMENT DEEMS AS WASTEFUL. HE CANNOT DO THAT WITHOUT CONGRESS. Lmao diverse back ground, they are white and Indian, thats it. You should have a look at the coders he employs. It isnt above board, it isnt transpartent, and YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT HES DOING OR WHY. You just rely on his shitty tweets on X and his stupid government website and then they get debunked on their lies.

    What kind of idiot believes we donated 50 million dollars IN CONDOMS TO GAZA?????
     
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  2. SuraGotMadHops

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    Relax and enjoy the savings. Stop stroking out.
     
  3. SuraGotMadHops

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    I'm referring to diversity in their professional backgrounds you dumbf***. But if you want to bring in race, what indian isn't diverse enough for you? No committee is legitimate unless it has a quota of blacks, asians, and hispanics? DEI is dead kid. Get over it.
     
  4. FranchiseBlade

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    Very few people if anyone is kicking and screaming because of making programs more efficient. Government spending is going up. Tax breaks for the wealthy is where the money is going while programs that help the disadvantaged are being cut. Furthermore oversight and protections are being removed. People are upset because of the corruption.
     
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  5. HP3

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    Yea you got nothing to say I figured.
     
  6. durvasa

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    The problem is this is a severe overreach for the Executive Branch. Given that Trump has de facto control over the Republican-majority Congress, why not ask them to pass a bill to cut the spending? He probably could make that happen. It seems he purposely wants to establish executive power over Congress and unilaterally decide not to execute on the spending bills that they pass.
     
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  7. Os Trigonum

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    that's a lot of caps

    another view:

    https://www.city-journal.org/article/elon-musk-doge-legal-democracy

    Musk’s Government Crusade Is Legal—and All-American
    DOGE’s mandate is built on sound law and the will of the voters.
    John O. McGinnis
    Feb 11 2025

    Elon Musk’s latest frontier isn’t cars or rockets; it’s a “read-only” glimpse into the federal payment system. According to news reports, he and his team at the Trump administration’s Department of Government Efficiency have reviewed a variety of payments, so far focusing on those coming from USAID and Medicare.

    This review has sparked claims that Musk lacks the right to undertake government activities. More generally, Musk’s presence in the administration has been criticized as an undemocratic takeover. But the law, democracy, and precedents from the Obama and Biden administrations all support his new role.

    Legally, Musk is a special government employee of the Department of Government Efficiency. DOGE is just a renamed version of the previously extant United States Digital Service. President Obama created the USDS within the Executive Office of the President in 2014. He used it to hire outside talent to help improve digital services following the infamously glitchy rollout of Obamacare.

    Similarly, Musk and his team are outside talent brought temporarily into the Trump administration. The team is analogous to corporate consultants like those at McKinsey, who go over an institution’s operations exhaustively. Such consultants frequently begin with a data analysis of where corporate payments are going.

    There is no doubt that Musk qualifies to be a special government employee—an individual hired for his special expertise for no more than 130 days. He surely has special skill in management and efficiency.

    Critics nevertheless argue that Musk is acting illegally because he is only an employee, whereas taking action requires appointment as an officer of the United States. It is true, as the Court stated in Buckley v. Valeo, that only officers of the United States can exercise “significant authority under the laws of the United States.” But advice-giving does not constitute such authority, and the Supreme Court has made clear that advisors need not be officers. Musk’s access allows him to see government payments and make recommendations but not act on them himself. The president or the president’s subordinate officers can act, or they can ask Congress for assistance.

    Early in the Biden administration, Democratic heavyweight Anita Dunn served as a senior advisor in the White House. Like Musk, she was a special government employee. She undoubtedly made a substantial difference to that administration’s decisions, though she did not sign any of its orders or regulations. To be sure, like Dunn, Musk cannot himself cut off funds or shut down programs. The legality of these funds and programs turns on the authority given to the president or other subordinates under organic statutes. That’s where objections, if any, to the administration’s actions should be directed.

    But the Dunn example shows what’s wrong with court orders that limit what DOGE employees can see, assuming they have the relevant security clearances. As Dunn did, these officials work in the Executive Office of the President, which regularly reviews information throughout the government. The president has the constitutional authority to oversee the executive branch. He thus must be able to deploy the employees in his office to help him assess information and determine what is happening at the agencies under his control. Otherwise, we lose the “energy” in the executive that Alexander Hamilton said is one of its principal virtues.

    Senator Adam Schiff and others have alleged that Musk has conflicts of interest. Musk certainly has potential conflicts—but so did Dunn, who, unlike Musk, had long worked as a lobbyist. We have no reason to believe that Musk has not managed his conflicts as well as Dunn. And it is especially hard to see where these conflicts would exist as regards his work on Medicare and foreign aid.

    Beyond the questions of legality, some fear that Musk’s influence signals a move from democracy to plutocracy. But Musk’s standing as a political advisor is rooted not primarily in his wealth but in his reputation as a disrupter. His ventures epitomize technological audacity: revolutionizing the automobile industry with Tesla, pioneering private space exploration through SpaceX, or integrating the human brain with the digital world though Neuralink.

    These innovations evoke a profound aspect of America’s national identity. Frederick Jackson Turner famously argued that the American character was forged on the frontier, where the ethos of unbounded opportunity prevailed. Turner noted that the closure of the physical frontier posed a challenge to America’s self-conception. Musk’s work reopens the frontier—not by looking to a westward land mass, but by gazing outward to the stars and inward to the human mind.

    Musk thus embodies the themes of Trump’s campaign. Trump rode back to the White House on a promise to disrupt entrenched dysfunction and restore American greatness rooted in individual opportunity and national ambition. In Musk, he has found a kindred spirit, whose career exemplifies these ideals. Musk’s frontier mindset will allow him to make novel recommendations.

    Whether one admires or distrusts Elon Musk’s disruptive style, his appointment to review government expenditures and advise about them is clearly within U.S. law—and it reflects the vision that voters supported when they elected Trump president again.

    John O. McGinnis is a contributing editor of City Journal and the George C. Dix Professor in Constitutional Law at Northwestern University.

     
  8. HP3

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    Whats with the name calling? Is that how an adult has a discussion. Okay fair, you meant diverse backgrounds in terms of professions. Unfortunately, that still doesnt mean anything about my original point. They are not going before congress to make their decisions. You are literally relying on their word of mouth of what is and isnt useless.

    Now tell me...did you believe the 50 million dollars in condoms to Gaza storry?
     
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  9. DaDakota

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    Elon is getting awarded a $400m contract for armored Cyber Trucks.

    GRIFTING away again in frauderitaville.

    DD
     
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    They don't have to go before Congress, Trump can act on DOGE's recommendations. Yes, DOGE was assembled to determine what is or isn't useless, I trust the people in charge to do their jobs, just like you trusted the previous administration to do theirs. Whether you like or not, this is the reality.

    I give zero effs about a story about condoms. As long as government waste is being dismantled I don't care.
     
  11. HP3

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    No no no, this is an apologist article of what he is doing. He's deleting government agencies at his whim. Anita Dunn never did that. He's invading government agencies and trying to get rid of many federal workers. Anita Dunn did not do that. And he's doing it without congress. This is not simply an "advisory" role, its bull ****

    He's already secured many government contracts.

    This writer is just an apologist.
     
  12. HP3

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    Yes they do have to go through congress, otherwise the executive branch has no checks and this essentially is a dictatorship. Why do you think there have been so many law suits that(some of which Trump has lost). Lmao are you serious? I never blindly trusted the Biden administration, ever. I checked the news and they never did illegal **** like this. This is completely delusional. You are in a cult.

    You give zero effs about them lying, cause thats what DOGE did(Elon even admitted) and if he got that wrong, who knows what else they got wrong. Sounds like they need ....I donno....OVERSIGHT.
     
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  13. SuraGotMadHops

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    BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH yeah.....we're done kid.
     
  14. HP3

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    Show me the illegal stuff they were doing? Are you afraid Ill debunk that too?

    Let me guess...Hunter Biden, Dr Faucii Covid conspiracy, garbage like right?
     
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    You mean the ones that got pardons? Those??
     
  16. HP3

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    So who do you think is more guilty the Biden Pardons....or the Jan 6 Pardons?
     
  17. Os Trigonum

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    HP, due respect, but McGinnis is a pretty well-respected constitutional law professor who teaches at Northwestern:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McGinnis

    And also with due respect, your claim that Musk is "deleting government agencies at his whim" is nonsense. Name a government agency he has "deleted."
     
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  18. HP3

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    USAID is done, its effectively been dismantled, Department of Education...dismantled. NIH, he's reduced their funding by a lot and thats going TO HURT A LOT of research. They are not coming back. Rubio can say whatever he wants about USAID, I do not believe him to be effectively managing whatever is left.

    Elon also said this

     
  19. Os Trigonum

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    yes, but that's not "deleted," and it is certainly not deleted at his "whim." A lot of thought has gone into the targets of the Trump 2.0 administration. This isn't just something Musk woke up with one day and started acting upon.
     
  20. HP3

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    Fine, its not "deleted" in that sense, just made vastly more ineffective. In any case, why is this being done without congressional approval or oversight? This isnt right, he should be going before congress and explaining these cuts instead of **** posting on X.
     

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