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DOGE having access to government agencies is illegal

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by DaDakota, Feb 3, 2025.

  1. FranchiseBlade

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    How's that deficit spending reduction you believe is happening looking at this point?
     
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    It's very clear what is being rooted out. DOGE continuously posts receipts and media will come out outraged over very practical cuts.

    They just hate someone else is taking their unwarranted power.

    The power of those who were never elected but worked in the shadows hating Americans.

    It's clear how these highly corrupt institutions operated and who got kickbacks and completely useless grants for following a delusional agenda. You are only defending it because this was proposed by Trump and elon who you do not like. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. If there's collateral damage along the way, SO BE IT. it will be rectified in time, but you cannot tip toe around the sheer amount of waste and righteous entitlement institutions had over taxpayer money.

    Most internet commentators make over 200k a year and have no idea how things are for working class Americans that make up the economy. For them to see what that money went to is completely demoralizing.
     
  4. strosb4bros

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    I have most posts in Astros forum but they never show up

    So Im going to keep posting here until I can have conversations there

    If you arent capable of adding to debate, maybe sit out
     
  5. strosb4bros

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    There is something called... statute of limitations. What Gore did was right for his time.

    What DOGE is doing is right for their time. The amount of bloat and wastefulness has exponentially gotten worse in the past 15 years. While we're not wasting billions waging pointless overseas wars thinking other cultures will adopt our way of life, we're finding new ways to waste money. The aggressive nature of the cutting is due to the entrenched nature of the corruption - think of an aggressive form of cancer. You have to fight it with aggressive treatment. Functions need to be disrupted in the short term and there has to be collateral damage BECAUSE OF HOW BAD THINGS ARE. Denying this means you are too tribal to see it.. or are financially benefitting via kickbacks.

    i'm quite happy with the speed of things. You cannot be naive enough to think you can reason with the department of education at this point. Our public school students are the dumbest in the world, get the most money per student, and they are obsessed with adding more administrators and useless curriculii while teachers can't afford housing. Give them the pain they've been asking for!!
     
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    If we privatize education we can make sure we spend more money on executive compensation and shareholder return. And even better, you suppress teacher unions so you can find cheaper teachers.

    This is how we make kids respect the flag and bible again
     
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  7. Nook

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    No.
     
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    You referenced Clinton's National Performance Review as an example of cutting thousands of federal jobs being "so good" - but only when it's not Elon. Clearly, you have no real understanding of what it entailed. Now, you've shifted gears and misapplied the legal term "statute of limitations."

    As for this current administration, they claim to be fighting fraud and corruption, but don’t expect to see any evidence - because they’ve fired inspector generals and removed oversight entirely. They’re betting on a "just trust me" approach while dismantling the very mechanisms that ensure accountability.
     
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    Are you just that cruel of a person?
     
  13. DaDakota

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    No, he is just a sad person, who hurts inside and wants the world to hurt with him.

    DD
     
  14. SamFisher

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    Many people saying that Elon & his prop kids making Trump look like a cuck loser

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  15. SamFisher

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    Sociopath Nazi Drug addict & his cyber ninjas are firing US Forest service firefighters right before wildfire season.

    Idiotic, saves no money & will actually cost $$$

    Nobody voted for this ****
     
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    Yes they did. I know I did. I want the size of government to be SLASHED. Adding $3 trillion in spending per year over the last several years has put us on a path to surefire financial ruin. DOGE is bending the curve and saving America, our currency, and our leadership position in the world.

    When the fires hit LA... it was Rick Caruso's private fire department that saved his real estate. Not the government's fire department. Let that be a lesson for you.


    GOOD DAY
     
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    https://www.wsj.com/opinion/elon-mu...c?st=FFg8qx&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

    So You Want Proof of Government Fraud
    The press says Elon Musk has no evidence. Well, here’s some.
    By The Editorial Board
    Feb. 13, 2025 at 5:53 pm ET

    Remember when eliminating government waste, fraud and abuse was a bipartisan goal? Well, now that Elon Musk is trying to do that, Democrats and their friends in the press say his Department of Government Efficiency is tilting at windmills.

    “At Oval Office, Musk Makes Broad Claims of Federal Fraud Without Proof,” said a New York Times headline this week. The White House retorted: “Apparently, the Times and other like-minded outlets lack access to a newfangled research tool called Google.”

    No proof of fraud? How much do you want?

    A Government Accountability Office report last spring estimated the “federal government could lose between $233 billion and $521 billion annually to fraud.” The federal auditor said “a government-wide approach is required to address it,” and recommended that the Treasury “leverage data-analytics capabilities” to stop questionable payments. That’s what DOGE is trying to do.

    GAO earlier estimated that 11% to 15% of unemployment benefits during the pandemic were fraudulent, totalling between $100 billion and $135 billion. Some went to transnational gangs, prisoners and state-sponsored hackers. The Labor Department inspector general estimated at least $191 billion in improper pandemic unemployment payments.

    The Secret Service found hackers linked to the Chinese government stole at least $20 million in Covid benefits. The pandemic employee retention tax credit (ERTC) has been another ripe target. According to the Internal Revenue Service, a California prisoner claimed more than $550 million from the ERTC.

    The IRS paused processing of new ERTC claims in 2023 because of rampant fraud. Initially estimated at $55 billion, the program’s costs have ballooned to $230 billion and counting. One culprit is outdated government IT systems that lack fraud controls such as identity verification. Agencies also don’t internally share data that could identify red flags.

    Congress in 2021 authorized a pilot program that gave the Treasury access to the Social Security Administration’s Full Death Master File to prevent payments to dead people. The Biden Treasury last month said this prevented and recovered $31 million in improper payments and fraud over five months, which it called “just the tip of the iceberg.”

    Better financial controls, technology and data-sharing could reduce IRS improper payments, including in the earned income tax credit (estimated at 33.5%), ObamaCare net premium tax credit (26%), the refundable portion of the child tax credit (14.5%) and the education tax credit (31.6%). Those estimates come from the Biden Treasury inspector general for tax administration.

    IRS improper payments increased under Mr. Biden, no doubt because it’s harder to stop fraud when so much more money is flying out the door. Biden officials also eased income verification for ObamaCare subsidies, Medicaid and other welfare programs. The Health and Human Services Department last year estimated $85 billion in “improper payments” in Medicare and Medicaid.

    It’s ironic to say the least that Democrats have lambasted the peer-to-peer payment app Zelle for not doing enough to prevent fraud on its network. Zelle’s estimated fraud rate (0.1%) is 99% lower than the goal for government programs, which many agencies don’t achieve. Maybe they need a “know your customer” rule so they don’t send money to criminals.

    The political left’s hostility to Mr. Musk’s antifraud campaign is hard to understand. But the partisan times are such that if Mr. Musk said the sky is blue, liberals would probably also say he has no proof.




     
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    DOGE operates with the support of the people. They have a mandate for once in a lifetime change. And we have the greatest businessman of our time, Elon Musk, leading the charge, free of charge. Thank you President Trump for putting this together -- we are living in an extraordinary time.

     
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    Nobody is debating the existence of fraud. That just isn't at all what DOGE has been doing to this point. The fraudsters are the individuals illegally claiming government benefits.
     
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    What we know about mine where Elon Musk says federal retirement claims are processed by hand
    The Office of Personnel Management processes thousands of federal employee retirement claims every month.

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/elon-musk-retirement-mine/
     

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