Should the Rockets pursue Kyrie Irving this offseason?

If Stone gives FVV over 25M a year extension, he should be fired. I think we end up with Booker or maybe even Durant this off-season. We have gotten unlucky when it comes to the plan. We have lots of tradeable assets and nobody to trade them for. Fox was a terrible fit. Evidently, Booker was off-limits and Durant was too expensive. I think the idea of Ant, went out the door when the new ownership was approved. No way they are trading the second or third best player in the league in the first couple of years as owners.

Giannis is about it as far as superstars, we might have a chance for, still unlikely but you might be able to tempt them with Sengun and 5 picks. If Dallas decides to blow it up we might get Irving in a sign-and-trade, but it would be insane if his contract is over 3 years or the price in players was anything more than FVV and Dillon.

I guess the other option is to start peddling the Phoenix picks for shooters that are not necessarily stars. How awesome would it be to have Prince or Coby White right now? If we just play it back next year, we'll be fighting for the 6th seed or worse again. Everybody crying Stone didn't make a trade have no idea what the parameters of any trades were and whether he was smart or dumb not to take them. Durant would still propel us into contender status next year, but it has to be for a reasonable price.

 

No I'm saying VanVleet maybe should've gotten low $20M's two years ago.

Brunson has gotten better and is paid more now. I can't say the same about VanVleet.
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Timeline
(this deadline) you could use fillers like: cut the fat
Tate, Steven Adams, Holiday, Jeff Green, Jock Landale in a trade.

(this summer) you can't use: cutting into muscle
Tate, Steven Adams, Holiday, Jeff Green in a trade.

A Durant trade or Giannis trade ends up using our core players.
Jalen Green $30 something salary next season.
Jock Landale $8M

Opposing team will demand :
Cam Whitmore and Tari or Jabari on top of 4 first round picks.

Durant went to the Suns and lost Mikal Bridges and Cameron Johnson in the process.
That ready made team lost most of its depth. Team that made it to the finals couldn't
with Durant because of lack of depth.

Sengun, Durant, Reed, Amen, Jabari won't get you much next year.
Stone takes us two steps back to take one step forward.

Team has to fill in the roster with scrubs. Giannis ends the same.

These stars want ready made teams which could've been done at the deadline.
Now they join a Rockets team that is half it's current roster. Almost matching
the salary a Durant or Giannis is at.

 

Let’s just be patient and wait for Reed

 

Ask him. He is the nut case. He apologized to educators for not keeping that to himself because of how negatively impactful his comments were.

 

he is the key to a championship formula


maybe he turns a corner “reed-sanity”.

 

patiently waiting for Reed

 

Nah
I'm good

Rocket River

 

Haha, it's not gossip and it's not just headlines or babble--the man is legitimately a crazy Alex Jones-style extremist. And I'm basing that on his actions and his own words. Yes, he is a great player. I have no idea how good or bad of a teammate he is. But he is definitely a nutcase and I'd rather not have to root for a player who spreads harmful lies. Plenty of other younger, equally-good-or-better players out there who don't come with all of the baggage.

And again, he's not available for trade.

 

I'm not sure you are accurate on what it is going to take to get Durant or Booker or even Giannis. If it takes any more than FVV, Dillon, and all the Phoenix picks then we don't play. Giannis for Sengun and all our draft picks is a reasonalbe offer, if Giannis wants out. If that won't work, we pass on that too. Means Giannis would have to want to come here.

No matter what we do, we are going to have salary issues when Amen comes due with his Max contract. Durant's price shouldn't be going up, it should be going down. Phoenix is going to put Durant on the market this off-season. What they get in return will determine if Booker is available. I've said it's time to spend the Phoenix picks this off-season. If it won't get us Booker, Durant, or another star we should start piece-mealing them for desired role players that can shoot.

What is your strategy if we can't get any of the real difference makers, now that your deadline wishes weren't realized? The history doesn't matter anymore. What is the future?

 

At the price Spurs paid, there was no need to give him an extension.

 

Erratic, soon to be 33 (he's actually 2 years older than Fred) - persistent injury problems.

Pass, especially since it will probably take $150 m to get him to opt out.

 

It all depends on what it takes. Is he an upgrade to FVV, of course, but at what price is always the question. I really don't see a path to get a star, we are probably going to either continue to grow organically or use the picks piece-meal to add important role players.

 

I don’t like him, but he’s the perfect on-court player for what we need. An infinitely better player than Fred.

 

One thing that's crazy is yet another superstar pairing fell apart with Kyrie, and this time he doesn't appear to have had anything to do with it! Dude is just cursed, in addition to being a weirdo

 

Definitely unlucky for him, but I don't believe in curses or jinx's. I just think it's fun for some people to think about. Most of the supposedly Houston sports curses were the result of the massively corrupt NFL and NBA. MLB is corrupt as well, but not to the extent of the other two leagues.

 

nope... ive seen his cray cray... i'm good.

 

He's washed up. Why in the world would you want him.

 

25 points on 40% 3 pt shooting and 5 assists (which will skyrocket without Doncic playing the point) 5 rebounds is not washed up. There is a concern whether he will get injured or not. Since I don't see us getting anyone else of note, Irving might be a good get if it's for 3 years or less.

The only problem is if we are using a sign and trade to get him, we would have to give up at least 1 and maybe 2 frp's. I think it's a real long shot under my terms, but a starting lineup of Irving, Jalen, Amen, Jabari, and Sengun is legit. We would still need to get a decent backup frontcourt player, preferable a PF that can shoot. Let's say Jerami Grant or preferable Reid who can play both PF and Center and hit 3's. Depending on the players involved, hopefully a re-signed FVV, our bench would be Reed, Cam, Dillon, Tari, Reid or Grant. Pretty damned competitive. If our Reed doesn't work out we would probably still have enough Ammo for a better backup combo guard.

 

It's going to take more than picks and a bag of chips.

With Durant, the Suns are scheduled to go into next season $17M still in the 2nd apron.
So Durant can only be traded by himself.

So it wouldn't be exchange of role players from
Suns coming back out way.

Bucks just got under 2nd Apron. But I don't see
Giannis wanting to join another paint clogger
without 3-pt shooters. I believe the Bucks are a top 10 three point shooting team. And Amen.

I'll have to check that later.

 

I’m in the it depends minority. If he can opt out and is looking for 3 or four years at FFV money, hell yes! I’m even ok with a trade if it won’t cost us to much. That way we can get him and still trade for several complimentary pieces. If he wants max, then hell no! Him alone won’t be enough to put us over the top.