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DOGE having access to government agencies is illegal

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by DaDakota, Feb 3, 2025.

  1. jo mama

    jo mama Member

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    did we send $50 million in condoms to gaza? yes or no.

    thats clearly a lie...lol.

    we are talking specifically about the lie that we sent $50 million in condoms to gaza. you are taking issue with people calling others out for spreading this lie, but you dont seem to have a problem with the lie itself...very odd.

    lol...there is nothing at all hypocritical about calling out people for lying. and in this case the "side" i am on is the one that is not spreading disinfo.

    not the first time i have heard this from you and i doubt it will be the last.
     
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  2. jo mama

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    the first sentence of your tweet is true. the new qualifications for joining the government are total allegiance to trump and refusal to admit that trump lost the 2020 election.

    purges are so early 20th century and stalinist, but thats what the trumpers are doing now.
     
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  3. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    There is no transparency, there is nothing wrong with trimming the government in a thoughtful manner, but having the Fox overlook the Henhouse when Elon is one of the biggest US government grifters is a major problem.

    And there is ZERO transparency or oversight......this comes off as popular until people realize they were conned.

    All a Dem has to do is promise $25 for minimum Wage, Tax the Rich, tax corporations, no tax rise for anyone making less than 400k.....and money back for trade schools and other education - actually focus on the economy and people's pocket books and this all flips in an instant.

    DD
     
  4. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    That's a great approach if your goal is to get absolutely nothing done. Naive on your part. Change is hard, and this is what change looks like. The great news is that honest people at these agencies are coming forward to DOGE and offering their thoughts on how to become more efficient. Unfortunately, career bureaucrats have threatened them in the past to prevent these changes from being implemented. The ability to cut costs is a true talent -- and there's no one better to lead it than Elon Musk, who is the most legendary businessman of our time.

    The Democrats are the party of fat bureaucracy and waste. The LAST THING they want to see is transparency -- because their waste, fraud, and abuse will be spotlighted for all to see. It is incredibly selfish of liberals to WASTE our hard earned tax dollars on their inefficiency. Thank you Elon Musk for efficiently using our tax dollars.

     
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    Lol, I don't know why you post in this sub-forum then. You don't get an opinion when you don't participate at all.
     
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  6. GOATuve

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    I don't call ot anyone who doesn't engage with me. I bet you can't find a single post of any of those guys that I quoted. Actually I think I called out CrixusTheUndefeatedGaul for not paying a bet. You're wrong again. No surprise
     
  7. GOATuve

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    Lol at you telling me what I can have an opinion on. You're a drunk troll. I hope the money I sent you went where it was supposed to go. I mean that sincerely. Not an insult.
     
  8. fchowd0311

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    When are we receiving the check for the cost savings Elon is implementing? Cost savings of tax money means our public money will be more in the hands of the public and not private capital interests right?
     
  9. Andre0087

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    You go poking at the "leftist" here, NOT the right and you expect to get flak from the side that thinks you agree with them? Sigh...not to mention you never discuss the actual issues on the subject matter of the thread title.
     
  10. Nook

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    No - not really, not that I have seen.
     
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  11. GOATuve

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    I have spoke I'm issues. A few of you just ignore that and just try to lump me in as a Trump supporter. I honestly don't care who agrees with me. It's a message board. You guys like to gang up though and go after anyone who doesn't agree with you. It's cool. You're entitled to do that but don't expect me to subscribe to your line of thinking. Astros123 is a lunatic, dd is an overweight blowhard and I don't know anything about the HP dude. You actually seem reasonable even if we disagree so I don't have anything negative to say about you
     
  12. DaDakota

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    Why do you do personal attacks, what does my weight have to do with anything? The problem is you hold no sway or are crap at arguing or getting your point across.

    Maybe if you spoke with respect and actually brought information or facts, people would engage in a more thoughtful manner.

    I know it is easy to blame others for ganging up, rather than looking at your participation and how it perpetuates who you are or how you are seen on this message board.

    We could all be better, but most of how others perceive us, is our own fault.

    And the fact that things are anonymous for some and not for others, is part of the problem, make it all public and see how it goes.

    DD
     
  13. DaDakota

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    The USAID “Scandal” and the Playbook of Manufactured Outrage
    The dismantling of USAID isn’t about fraud. It’s not about waste. And it’s certainly not about making government more efficient. Instead, it’s a test case for a new era of governance—one where facts are optional, reality is shaped by cherry-picked narratives, and faith in a leader replaces independent sources of truth.
    Rather than conducting an actual audit, Musk and Trump have used a familiar tactic—manufacture a scandal, flood the space with selective outrage, and use it to justify dismantling an agency they already wanted gone. It’s an attack on facts themselves—and if it works here, it will be repeated elsewhere.
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    Misinformation doesn’t have to be an outright lie to be effective. The most powerful form of disinformation is cherry-picking—taking a real event or number, stripping it of context, and reframing it for maximum outrage.
    Take a look at a few of the White House’s official justifications for gutting USAID:

    Claim: “USAID spent $6 million on tourism in Egypt.”
    Reality: This funding was for education and economic development in North Sinai, not tourism. The grant was announced in 2019 during Trump’s first administration. Stripping away the date and purpose makes it sound like a recent, frivolous expenditure rather than part of an established economic aid initiative.

    Claim: “USAID spent $1.5 million to promote workplace diversity in Serbia.”
    Reality: This was part of a broader economic initiative to increase job opportunities in Serbia—where workplace discrimination limits economic participation. The program focused on helping businesses grow by improving inclusivity—but was reframed as an ideological “waste” rather than an economic development effort.

    Claim: “USAID spent $47,000 on a transgender opera in Colombia.”
    Reality: This was not a USAID grant at all—it was issued by the State Department, not USAID. The grant supported an arts program aimed at increasing representation in Colombia’s opera scene. By misattributing the funding to USAID and framing it solely as a “transgender opera”, the claim was designed to provoke cultural outrage rather than discuss arts funding in global diplomacy.
    Could an actual audit be conducted on how these funds were used? Absolutely. In a functioning government, there should always be room for debate over whether certain initiatives are priorities or whether they are effective. But that is not what is happening here.
    Instead of evaluating whether these programs delivered results or whether better alternatives exist, these numbers were stripped of context and framed for maximum outrage—not to improve policy, but to justify dismantling an agency outright. A real debate would analyze impact and effectiveness, not manipulate selective facts to push a predetermined conclusion.
    The biggest red flag? If USAID were truly corrupt, they would be showing full financial audits, not vague accusations.
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    If the goal were actually to root out inefficiencies, a proper USAID audit wouldn’t be done in a day or two based on cherry-picked spending line items. Audits—even for small organizations—are lengthy, comprehensive, and detail both strengths and weaknesses.
    A real audit would:

    • Be conducted by independent agencies (GAO, OIG, CBO), qualified and experienced leaders, or objective, appointed and vettyed contracted individuals or organizations.
    • Use full financial forensic analysis, not cherry-picked line items.
    • Compare USAID to other government expenditures for context.
    • Provide publicly available, transparent findings.
    • Recommend measured reforms, not mass firings.
    Real audits include:
    • Positives and negatives—not just failures.
    • Strengths and weaknesses—where the agency is effective and where it isn’t.
    • Successes and failures—not just the failures someone wants to highlight.
    • Annotated findings with full transparency—each claim links back to data.
    This takes months, not days—because an audit can’t be done by just extracting data, running it through an algorithm (AI or otherwise), and issuing selective pronouncements.

    Instead, Musk’s Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) simply declared USAID “beyond repair” and started shutting it down—no audit needed.

    This isn’t about USAID—it’s about eliminating institutions. And if they can do this to USAID, they can do it to the CDC, NOAA, or any other agency that provides inconvenient facts.
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    The attack on USAID is just the beginning. If this strategy works, other congressionally created and funded agencies that provide oversight, enforce regulations, or provide objective information will be next.
    The same manufactured outrage playbook will be applied to:
    • The CFPB (Consumer Financial Protection Bureau) – Criticized for interfering in free markets and overregulating financial institutions.
    • The SEC (Securities and Exchange Commission) – Framed as an obstacle to economic growth by restricting corporate and investment practices.
    • The IRS – Cast as a weaponized agency persecuting political enemies.
    • The Pentagon – Attacked over spending inefficiencies and social policies.
    • The Federal Reserve – Accused of economic manipulation and globalist control.
    • The DOJ & FBI – Portrayed as corrupt institutions waging partisan investigations.
    • The Department of Education – Framed as a wasteful bureaucracy pushing ideological agendas.
    • The EPA – Blamed for stifling business growth through overregulation.
    Each will be misrepresented and undermined not through comprehensive audits and evidence-based reform, but through cherry-picked data, selective outrage, and preordained conclusions that justify dismantling their authority.

    The irony? Real audits of these agencies would be fantastic. If the goal were truly efficiency, effectiveness, and responsible governance, independent reviews would be welcomed. A thorough, transparent audit of USAID, the CFPB, the SEC, the IRS, or the Pentagon would provide critical insights for better decision-making. But that’s not what’s happening.

    Instead of pursuing genuine oversight and accountability, the administration is manufacturing outrage and using it as a justification to dismantle institutions outright—not to fix them, but to eliminate their independence.
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    The final step in this process isn’t just about cutting waste—it’s about removing any part of the government that isn’t directly controlled by the executive branch.
    • No independent oversight.
    • No neutral agencies providing inconvenient data.
    • No checks on power.
    This isn’t about USAID—it’s about whether any institution will be allowed to exist outside the direct control of a single leader.
    The next time an agency or institution is suddenly declared “too corrupt to fix,” ask yourself:
    • Where’s the full audit?
    • Why is the data missing?
    • Who benefits from removing this institution?
    When facts disappear, power takes their place. That’s what’s happening here.


    From: Joel Emery.


    Nails it.

    DD
     
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  14. Andre0087

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    If he's able to pinpoint all this waste and where it's coming from in a transparent matter, why hasn't he held a press conference discussing it and showing the American people what he's found? I'll never believe the world's richest man giving two ***** about waste in our government, that prick is up to no good and playing the MAGA base for the fools they are.
     
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    It isn't bizarre if you believe in checks and balances.

    If you believe that the President of the United States is equal in power to a Middle Eastern Dictator or 10th Century Western European King, then it makes perfect sense to you.

    What I find most humorous is how many of these same people talked about being "a man" and being "leaders", and really all they have done and are drawn to in being cucked. They have essentially given up all autonomy to another person and attempt to claim they are "men".
     
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    There is no need to speculate on what he is doing. This is a long standing right wing libertarian wet dream of privatizing the government entirely instead of in a half assed manner with our current public-private contract system. That isn't enough for them. People like Elon, Theil and Bezos want to own all of our tax money.
     
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  17. Nook

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    So basically he is the lefts version of MAGA?

    Please tell me that you see the incredibly irony of what you said.

    The entire MAGA play book is 24/7 propaganda with no factual basis until everyone is drowned out.
     
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    DOGE is a rebrand of Obama's United States Digital Service. What they are doing is legal whether you like it or not.

    As long as they don't take my money away, I'm good with it.
     
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    Where is your money located in the federal government? I promise not to steal it.
     
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    What money would that be? Send more of it please :). And how do you know I'm a "drunk troll"? At least I can be bothered to give a **** and vote.
     
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