I'd agree with $25M as a reasonable figure for Fred, preferably no more than 2 guaranteed years though. I don't see him losing his starting role yet though unless we trade for a better point guard. I think Amen is going to have to prove he can hit open threes at the wings and improve his ballhandling/decisionmaking a little bit more if he wants to be the starting point guard, so I expect we're going to see the start to at least one more season with FVV as the starter if he's extended. For the simple reason that Udoka is going to want to see Amen "prove it" before making a big change. Ideally, Amen will do just that next season, seize the starting PG role, and never let it go.
Fred is short, fat, and slow…he’s the type to fall off a cliff and become washed any minute now Rockets need to stop messing around and find a real solution at PG
His ball handling, defense, maturity and facilitating are very important to this team. He is declined a bit as a player though, and he was playing his best when he focused on those aspects and limited his poor contested shots. We just don't have anyone else on the team which also has that skillset so he's crucial.
I'd argue that he's always been that and that's exactly why he's not the type to fall off of a cliff. Sturdy built point guards like Chris Paul and Kyle Lowry have a pretty good track record. I am not saying we should put all of our eggs in one basket like we're currently doing, but I'm definitely in the pro-Fred camp.
Fred is short I’ll give y’all that He isn’t fat and he isn’t slow? He’s one of the best guard defenders in the league and y’all think he’s fat and slow ? Ty Lawson was an alcoholic his demise had nothing to do with his build aging prematurely. You have to be a professional and be serious about taking care of your body to last into your mid late 30s this league.
Fred works his ass off to stay in shape, he ain't fat, that's lean muscle. He's built like a small tank
I'm more optimistic about FVV than you, but I do agree the Rockets do need someone better in that ball-handling role if they want to compete. I don't know who that would be though. Some possibilities include Booker, LaMelo Ball, Kyrie who may become available. Otherwise they'd really have to hope Amen, Reed, or whoever they take in the upcoming draft to be that guy.
my point is not whether or not fred is a championship level starting point guard at this time in his career he is not on a championship level roster my point is the importance of him ot this current roster at this current time where everybody lacks maturity experience and leadership and he is the only one on the roster that provides those 3 things in one player that is why he is critical to our success comparing him to all star calibar lead guards that are not available through trade or free agency is not the point either
I think it's kinda sad and eye opening at the same time how much Fred means to this team. Because on the one hand, he's not that good, right? Like you said...can't really do anything at the rim, short, fat, slow, not a crazy good shooter, not a lockdown defender. And still, when Fred goes out, we go from a 55 win team to a 20 win team? That's the difference between Fred and no Fred? It's just sad that our other options to fill in that gap as a point guard or even a COMBO guard are all THAT far behind Fred. It really highlights how far behind Jalen, Amen, Reed, and Holiday really are. It's not like this is prime Chris Paul we're talking about here. But our young guys are still that far behind Fred.
you have to understand basketball to appreciate how good fred is he is a legit good nba player a plus player that contributes to winning way more heavily than it appears by watching him play with an untrained eye
I like Fred, but comparing him to two Hall of Fame PGs doesn't especially seem fair with respect to how he could potentially age into his early 30s. My worry is that since FVV already is a master of the "old man game", he doesn't nearly have the same leeway to decline physically, and you can't make up for losses in athleticism through improved skills or a better mental game, he can't get much better in those regards to compensate, and could fall off even faster. FVV to me is the Tony Stark-designed Spiderman suit in Spiderman: Homecoming. He's a fantastic player, a guy who makes the whole team better, who is irreplaceable at this juncture...and is going to eventually hold back this team from reaching their full potential. He's a crutch given to protect and help train a bunch of immature young guns who don't know what it means to win. If they're going to compete with the true elites of this league, then they're going to have to learn how to win without him, with everyone else stepping up and taking on his role. Freddies: You don't understand! Please, this is all we have! We're nothing without FVV! Anti-Freddies: If you're nothing without FVV, then you shouldn't have him, okay?
Anti-Freddies: If you're nothing without FVV, then you shouldn't have him, okay? Freddies: If you're something without this suit, put the f#$%ing suit on, and engage instakill mode.
I think they need to get his number down to around $30m in order to use their full MLE. It doesn’t help them to get much lower than that because they will still be over the cap and can’t sign anyone else, anyway.
ppl here thinking Fred will take 25mil/year are delusional, if anything this stretch of games only made himself believe he is worth every penny of a 40mil contract If we don't give it to him, he'll get it from another bottom team who needs a PG, which is a rare commodity these days. We did a whole rebuild and still haven't solved our starting PG problem. Stone keeps drafting short pgs like TyTy and Reed. Need to look for a lengthy point with some shooting skills in this draft.
Don't get me wrong, I love FVV's play, but FVV is the only NBA ready PG on the team. I think it is important for other guys to get on ball reps so getting another PG may make on balls reps dicey for development, but it really hurts when he's out. Whether it is $25M or $30M, FVV is likely not worth $40M going forward, but will likely get paid well in years.
