1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

[CNN] Putin urges voters to back Bush

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by RocketManJosh, Oct 18, 2004.

  1. RocketManJosh

    RocketManJosh Member

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2003
    Messages:
    5,881
    Likes Received:
    726
    Not that I think anyone should base their vote on what the leader of any foreign country believes, but I thought it was interesting that the leader of a country that was very much opposed to the war in Iraq would have this opinion/reasoning.



    Putin urges voters to back Bush
    By CNN Moscow Bureau Chief Jill Dougherty
    Monday, October 18, 2004 Posted: 7:08 AM EDT (1108 GMT)

    Putin says terrorists want to inflict "maximum damage to Bush."

    MOSCOW, Russia (CNN) -- Russian President Vladimir Putin says terrorist attacks in Iraq are aimed at preventing the re-election of U.S. President George W. Bush and that a Bush defeat "could lead to the spread of terrorism to other parts of the world."

    Putin, speaking Central Asian Cooperation Organization summit in Tajikistan Monday, made his most overt comments of support so far for the re-election of Bush for a second term.

    "Any unbiased observer understands that attacks of international terrorist organizations in Iraq, especially nowadays, are targeted not only and not so much against the international coalition as against President Bush," Putin said.

    "International terrorists have set as their goal inflicting the maximum damage to Bush, to prevent his election to a second term.

    "If they succeed in doing that, they will celebrate a victory over America and over the entire anti-terror coalition," Putin said.

    "In that case, this would give an additional impulse to international terrorists and to their activities, and could lead to the spread of terrorism to other parts of the world."

    Putin noted that American voters will not decide the election just on Iraq.

    "Because of this we must take a realistic approach and be prepared for any development of events," he said. "We respect any choice the American people will make."

    President Putin made it clear Russia remained opposed to the war in Iraq.

    "Today, our views on that differ from the views of President Bush," he said.
     
  2. mc mark

    mc mark Member

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 1999
    Messages:
    26,195
    Likes Received:
    471
    Well that's what Cheney has been telling us for months.
     
  3. FranchiseBlade

    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2002
    Messages:
    51,803
    Likes Received:
    20,461
    Putin who has weakened democracy in his own country isn't a real ringing endorsement for either candidate. Hopefully whoever wins can help guide our ally back on the path to just democracy and freedom.
     
  4. SamFisher

    SamFisher Member

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2003
    Messages:
    61,826
    Likes Received:
    41,301
    Am I reading this wrong? Because it looks like Putin wants Bush to still be President because more terrorists will attack us rather than him or anybody else. Vote Bush, terrorists will attack us more!

    Thanks for your concern, Putin, with friends like you....
     
  5. Deckard

    Deckard Blade Runner
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2002
    Messages:
    57,785
    Likes Received:
    41,212
    Well, we saw a German tilt towards Kerry... now, we have a Russian tilt towards Bush. Putin is busy creating a caricature of a democracy, by stomping on the press, and anyone in big business who opposes him. He is getting rid of rights all over the place in Russia. Does Putin endorsing Bush make Republicans here feel warm and fuzzy? I'm curious.


    Keep D&D Civil!!
     
  6. RocketManJosh

    RocketManJosh Member

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2003
    Messages:
    5,881
    Likes Received:
    726
    I agree ... I would hope that no one would base their opinion on the fact that any foreign leader supports either candidate. I just found this interesting considering where it was coming from.
     
  7. FranchiseBlade

    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2002
    Messages:
    51,803
    Likes Received:
    20,461
    It's definitely interesting, and I think the opinion of foreign leaders is always worthwhile reading and something to be investigated into regarding elections. Sometimes a foreign leaders endorsement is a blessing, sometimes a curse, and sometimes somewhere in between.
     
  8. RocketManJosh

    RocketManJosh Member

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2003
    Messages:
    5,881
    Likes Received:
    726
    I read it completely different from you ..

    I think Putin believes that the terrorists are attacking as much as they can right now to try and decrease support for Bush. His fear is that if Bush loses, it tells the Terrorists that they can control foreign elections. It sounds like he thinks America backing down and not supporting Bush would be similar to negotiating with terrorists by giving them what they want, thus creating more problems in the future. He thinks if the American people don't back down and support Bush, then the terrorists efforts in Iraq will have failed.

    Although I am a Bush supporter, I don't think that this is a real valid argument because people are voting on much more than just Iraq, and its not as if Kerry is just going to stop fighting terrorism if he is elected.
     
  9. basso

    basso Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2002
    Messages:
    33,363
    Likes Received:
    9,291
    why not, isn't that what kerry has been asking america to do?
     
  10. Zion

    Zion Member

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2003
    Messages:
    835
    Likes Received:
    17
    I might be wrong but i think the difference between the German tilt towards Kerry and Putins tilt towards Bush is that if you polled ordinary Germans most would probably support Kerry, and if you polled ordinary Russians most would probably support Kerry.
     
  11. AroundTheWorld

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2000
    Messages:
    83,288
    Likes Received:
    62,281
    What about the underlying assumption...does anyone think that terror attacks would weaken Bush? :confused:

    I'd rather assume that more terror attacks would increase Bush's chances to win the election even more.
     
  12. RocketManJosh

    RocketManJosh Member

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2003
    Messages:
    5,881
    Likes Received:
    726
    The main focus of Kerry's campaign has been the his so-called "disaster" in Iraq and trying to make Bush look worse and worse as the situation in Iraq worsens. That's been the cornerstone of Kerry's campaign.

    The worse Iraq gets, the worse Bush looks according to Putin (and Kerry for that matter). The terrorists believe this as well.
     
  13. robbie380

    robbie380 ლ(▀̿Ĺ̯▀̿ ̿ლ)
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2002
    Messages:
    23,977
    Likes Received:
    11,133
    who cares about putin he isnt exactly a model democratic leader
     
  14. Deckard

    Deckard Blade Runner
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2002
    Messages:
    57,785
    Likes Received:
    41,212
    I've never been to Russia, although my Dad visited the USSR with a friend, and fellow academic colleague, on a trip back to the US from a USAID stint in southern India, at the height of the Cold War. ( My Dad and his friend were drugged, had their room searched, and were followed by the KGB through at least 3 countries after leaving the Soviet Union, because they asked to visit a Russian professor at Moscow University, as a courtesy, because the gentleman had visited my father's college at a major university in Houston, and had said, "If you are ever in my country, come visit, and I will give you a tour!" They never got to speak to the Russian professor, to say the least. That's another story, of course) I have visited Germany on a few occasions, so my take on their reaction to our election was easy to make.

    I doubt that the average Russian knows a great deal about our elections and the candidates. The well educated, a much smaller number than what we are used to seeing here, or in Germany, are a different matter, of course. Who knows? Perhaps someone here does.


    Keep D&D Civil!!
     
  15. AroundTheWorld

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2000
    Messages:
    83,288
    Likes Received:
    62,281
    I think it is disputable that the terrorists would want Kerry to win (not that it should matter what these horrible people want). They might want Bush to win, so that they can keep motivating their terrorists by depicting him as the big enemy. I don't know, but I think it is not clear.
     
  16. rblh

    rblh Member

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 1999
    Messages:
    87
    Likes Received:
    0
    I doubt Putin really has America’s best interest in his heart. If he really cares and believes what we are doing is just, he would have send troops to Iraq and help us to raise a successful campaign against terrorist. Any talk without real actions to back them up is just talk.
     
  17. nyquil82

    nyquil82 Member

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 2002
    Messages:
    5,174
    Likes Received:
    3
    i don't like this argument that if the bad guy doesn't support our leader, then we should support our leader. it implies that if you don't support bush, you are supporting the terrorists. Does that mean that if the KKK doesn't support kerry, then a vote for Bush is a vote for the KKK?
     
  18. basso

    basso Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2002
    Messages:
    33,363
    Likes Received:
    9,291
    the palestinian authority has endorsed kerry.
     
  19. RocketMan Tex

    RocketMan Tex Member

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 1999
    Messages:
    18,452
    Likes Received:
    119
    And the Ku Klux Klan has endorsed George W. Bush. :rolleyes:
     
  20. basso

    basso Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2002
    Messages:
    33,363
    Likes Received:
    9,291
    for once we agree, the PA and KKK are comparable!
     

Share This Page