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[WaPo] Trump moves to wrest control of USAID as Musk says, ‘We’re shutting it down’

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  1. Os Trigonum

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    not sure that's how government works
     
  2. HP3

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    You dont think its dangerous and unnecessary that he has access to the whole U.S. Treasury? Bro, I know you cant think its a good idea the has has access to people's social security
     
  3. Os Trigonum

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    that's not what the poster said. The poster said "total control over the executive branch." No one has "total control" of the executive branch, not even the President. That's the point of the reforms that are desired.
     
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    The decision by Democrats not to hold a primary is an internal party matter. There is no law that mandates a primary must take place.

    Shutting down USAID is arguably illegal. Congress is the body that can shut it down, not the executive. They are given the power to check the executive if it oversteps, but will they act?
     
  5. Amiga

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    figure of speech
     
  6. tallanvor

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    People did vote for elon to cut down the executive branch. It was a campaign promise.
     
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    No aid for anybody cause we don’t have the money. Right.
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  9. Os Trigonum

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    exaggeration
     
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    (edited to be more consistent with this thread)

    If Mr. Foreign-Born-Billionaire-Nobody-Voted-For has control of the US Treasury System, as reported, he could have access to all private data, including SSNs. There is no IG or other independent audit to check and ensure privacy and security, to prevent government data from being leaked or stolen, whether purposefully or through haste. Mr. Foreign-Born-Billionaire-Nobody-Voted-For moves fast and makes plenty of mistakes. This isn't exactly the person (and no single person is) you'd want handling large private data sets without assurance of protecting our data.
     
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    Dems now defending the orginization that funded covid.

     
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    I'll need a few more random tweets to convince me...:rolleyes:
     
  13. Os Trigonum

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    I don't think anyone yet knows what exactly is going on at the Treasury Department much less who has access to what data . . . so I don't have much of an opinion on that
     
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    Someone knows, and knows well.

    But no one outside of the internal team does, and there is no independent body to monitor to ensure the usual things that an IG ensures - compliance, legality, etc. It might eventually come out, but if not, no one will know exactly what happened. We may see the result, but we might not know why. Not having oversight removes the pressure to maintain compliance and legality.
     
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    agreed. we'll have to wait and see what develops
     
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    It was run the same way under Republicans as well, including Trump. USAID was a strategic play. US withdrawing from the world won't save you money, but it will diminish our country's influence. This isn't a liberal vs conservative thing by the way. It shouldn't be. Ultimately, this will hurt your pocketbook.
     
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    Here's what I don't get about all this--

    You're a Republican member of Congress. You've scratched and clawed your way to a sub-committee chair, a committee chair, a leadership position. You've done it all so you can wield power and influence the country. And now you sit back and give it all away with little if any fight to a guy who just bought his influence? You just do what you are told. You only rubber-stamp things. I can't believe these people would give away power so completely.
     
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    The fact you b****ed repeatedly about the democrats' primary and yet this doesn't bother you makes you look like someone not worth paying attention to.
     
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    generally speaking, if bureaucratic employees are insubordinate they probably deserve to be dealt with in a fairly harsh manner

    Rubio attacks USAID leaders as ‘unresponsive’ and ‘insubordinate’

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...sidency-news/#link-Z7SQX5XCKFB55FWDMQRLPM2BXY

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    SAN SALVADOR — Secretary of State Marco Rubio harshly criticized the U.S. Agency for International Development on Monday, saying the agency wastes money and doesn’t reflect U.S. national interests.

    “My frustration with USAID goes back to my time in Congress. It’s a completely unresponsive agency,” he told reporters during a visit to a factory in El Salvador’s capital.

    President Donald Trump’s budget-cutting adviser Elon Musk has vowed to destroy USAID, the world’s largest provider of food assistance, calling it a “criminal organization.”

    Rubio pointedly declined to describe the agency’s work in that way, saying that “there are a lot of functions of USAID that are going to continue … but it has to be aligned with American foreign policy.”

    Rubio confirmed that he was made acting director of USAID following the ouster of several top USAID career officials but said he has since “delegated that authority” to another Trump official whom he did not name.

    Rubio also accused USAID leaders of insubordination, claiming that when he was in Congress, senators would ask agency leaders “simple questions” on issues such as fund allocation, contractors and programs, and that leaders would not respond. Instead, he said, agency leaders would tell lawmakers that the agency is apolitical. Rubio rebutted that.

    “American foreign policy isn’t apolitical,” Rubio said. “American foreign policy is … to further the interest of the United States. If someone wants to spend apolitical dollars, they should spend private dollars.”

    Rubio’s remarks on the agency are his first since Musk publicly vowed to “shut down” the aid agency, claiming he had the support of Trump.

     
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    The fact you b**** about trump hiring someone to audit spending by the executive branch shows you have no idea how the government works
     

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