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Random Trade Thread 2024-25

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Shark44, Jul 1, 2024.

  1. ROXTXIA

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  2. spankz141

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    Combining Rumors:

    Houston In: Cam Johnson and Robert Williams

    Portland In: Cam Whitmore, Jock Landale and 2 future HOU seconds

    Brooklyn In: Jabari Smith, Jea'sean Tate and removing swap from 2027 pick.

    FVV/Holiday
    JG/Cam Johnson
    Amen/Eason
    Brooks/Williams
    Sengun/Adam
     
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  3. ElPigto

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    Why do you want to pay so much for Cam Johnson? Bari is going to be a much better player. Before his injury his shooting stroke was good and he was playing some really good defense. I like Cam Johnson, but there is no way I give up both Bari and the 2027 swap. Cam Johnson is not that valuable.
     
  4. rockets1995

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    Devin Booker is mentally soft
     
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    I'm all about adding Cam Johnson to this roster but I think we could probably get him for less than you're proposing. I'd prefer to keep Jabari. If the Nets insisted that Jabari be included along with their 2027 swap rights, then I'd ask for one of the Knicks future picks.

    Either way, Cam Johnson's elite shooting would absolutely solve most of our offensive woes. He is the perfect role player for this team and has one of the best non-rookie contracts in the NBA.

    I don't think Robert Williams is much better than Adams and I definitely don't think he's worth Cam Whitmore. I don't think we'd make that deal.

    Yes again to Cam Johnson though. He is the perfect acquisition to this team
     
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  6. NotTooYoungtoContend

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    Cam Johnson is leading all non-centers in True Shooting percentage while averaging over 19 ppg on one of the league's worst teams. He's several tiers above Jabari Smith currently. He's also a top-50 player in the league in EPM. Although it's possible that Jabari someday becomes that level of player, I don't think it's guaranteed. At his best, Jabari may become a superior defensive player but there's almost no chance he'll become a better offensive option. Cam Johnson's efficiency is literally the best in the NBA currently at his position.

    I agree though that we wouldn't have to give up both Jabari and the 2027 Nets pick swap to acquire Johnson though. I think we could have him for less.
     
  7. bilaal14

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    Are you serious?

    There are 0 teams in the NBA that would take Bari over Cam Johnson.

    Cam would solve all of our woes. The issue is how much would it cost us and how much would it cost us to keep him.
     
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    Welcome to the Cam Johnson Appreciation Society. We are men of logic and reason. We understand that maintaining the status quo is a choice. It is not always the best choice. We believe a reasonable trade for Cam Johnson would improve our odds of winning the 2025 NBA Championship as well as the 2026-2028 Championships. We are open to new members. We hope to have Rafael Stone join our ranks before next Thursday.
     
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  9. fattz

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    Ownership would LOVE to bring him back to Houston, too.
     
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  10. colorist

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    Cam Johnson plays the most loaded position on our team. Jabari, on the other hand, occupies a role that no other person on the team has (combination of 3pt shooting and switchable defense at the 4/5 spots). Regardless of how ugly it sometimes looks on offense, the Rockets's biggest need and focus will always be defense.

    Remember that we have the best offense in the nba since Amen's entry into the starting lineup. The defense though? Hasn't been as good. There's at least one interview in which Udoka expressed concern about the defense's underperformance lately.

    And Jabari is more than SEVEN years younger than Cam Johnson and before this recent freak hand injury, he has barely missed any games in his first two seasons.

    Let's forget every other team in the nba for a sec; I don't even know if the Nets themselves prefer Cam Johnson over Jabari. The Nets have been asking for two first rounders. No deal yet. I am certain that Jabari is worth more than two first rounders to the Rockets.
     
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  11. hlmbasketball

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    He's giving up Cam Whitmore too!
     
  12. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    That's false.

    The nets are trading Cam for 2 picks if they're lucky. No one in their right mind would trade Jabari for less than 2 picks.

    Only contenders with short windows would prefer Johnson.
     
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    You cant just go straight up comparison on PPG etc... The incoming guys are doing it in 20+ min of work while Cam and Jeff are way less. And we already have people taking up the other minutes, so if you bring Oubre and Yabusele down to Cam and Jeffs minutes (about half) then you are actually losing PPG etc...
     
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    Horrible. If there is a Cam for Jabari trade, multiple firsts need to be coming back to the Rockets. The fact that the Nets are willing to trade Cam and his very affordable contract should tell you something. Some fans only look at one side of the ball and when you take into account offensive rebounding Jabari isn't even that much worse at offense.
     
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  15. jcmoon

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    what about myles turner?
     
  16. Hemingway

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    You are way off.
     
  17. Houston77

    Houston77 COOKIES AND CAKE, MY TEAM BAKED!
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    I have no idea why the Pacers are looking to trade BM, but I’d be really interested.
     
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  18. bilaal14

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    AMEN.
     
  19. Mathloom

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    Isaiah Stewart is basically Dillon Brooks as a PF/C. Needs work on his shooting, similar to Brooks a couple of years ago. Wouldn't that be awesome to have as an alternate with Jabari? 7'2 wingspan, aggressive AF, very good shotblocker. Decent spacer at C already.

    Would love to get him for his $15m per season for 4 years - that's an excellent excellent asset. He's an easy 30+ minutes at the 4/5 on almost any team and pairs well with both Jabari and Sengun as well as Amen and Green's perimeter game. Very hard to find a player who suits all those things. Still 23 years old.

    Worth an above average FRP and expiring contracts. Available. Better fit for us than Rob Williams though not as high a ceiling if Williams is fully healthy. Would be great to have while Jabari is down and the team looks exhausted.
     
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    Here's a creative one for y'all. I honestly might prefer to just pick up Fox ourselves, but it seems the front office prefers Booker.

    I will note that this trade would seriously hinder our depth, and it's a lot of picks going out. (I would probably want to make a second trade to acquire another guard to replace Holiday.) Trying to think from the perspective of--what do the Kings want in order to give up Fox, and what could actually persuade Phoenix to give up Booker. I don't think either team pulls the trigger without a return like this, but it might be too much for the Rockets to part with.

    For us, it's obvious what the goal here is--we get Devin Booker without giving up any members of our young core. 3 FRPs and 2 SRPs might be too much of a draft haul--mentally adjust downward if you think the other teams would agree to less.

    For Phoenix, I think to part with Booker while playing fairly well lately, they're going to want a roughly equivalent star player plus more depth/trade flexibility. This gives them that, a couple of SRPs to play with and maybe upgrade their bench, a couple of playable dudes, and Fox to replace Booker's minutes--probably a better fit next to Durant and Beal anyway.

    For Sacramento, they're just trying to move Fox for the best return they can get. Here they get three FRPs, two which have a good chance at being lotto picks. They also get a pretty good point guard to replace Fox in FVV, so they don't have to be terrible the rest of the season and can keep things rolling with Sabonis while they try to find a new star. Tate also replaces Lyles' horrible defense with a guy who helps their identity in that area.

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