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A backup point guard/combo guard is the team's biggest trade deadline need

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by OremLK, Jan 23, 2025.

  1. Bobbythegreat

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    It's about how he's best used both for him and for the team. He's not a real point and even if he was, he'd be the worst shooting PG in the league....and he does most of his damage on offense in the dunker's spot....something he can't do while running the point.

    It just seems like people want to do it just to say they did, you can even have a really amazing SF that plays SF, or a SF pretending to be a PG.

    We'll see how it plays out, but you might as well be calling for FVV to play center, you can say you are doing it, but it makes no sense and they wont really be playing that role no matter what.
     
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    In a perfect world Fred is not the starting PG next year but still on the the team as a backup with a reduced salary. His contribution to the team is invaluable. He has played much better lately this season playing off ball where he is able to catch and shoot and allow the young guys to facilitate the offense. Championship teams need guys like Van Vleet that don't turn the ball over, play defense and hit clutch shots (ALA Raptors run). He was at his best in Toronto during their championship when allowed to be their 4th or 5th option on offense.
     
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  4. PatBev

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    I agree. I’m not opposed to him coming off the bench but I just don’t want him starting. I just know money is going to be an issue soon so if he wants 20-25 million for a bench role I’m sure we can get a 6’5 shooter like Jerome for 10-15

    Im really not opposed to FVV at the right price and role. He helped turn this ship around but we can probably do better for cheaper at the role we need going forward. We gonna have to start paying people soon
     
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    Just found this thread and I understand the OP's perspective and many others wanting to get a solid b/u for FVV. However, I don't think we should expend assets on that area unless its in some form of Holiday, Landale, or Tate and 1-2 2nds.

    We have a potential solution on the bench in Reed. He could be the perfect back-up PG with combo-guard shooting skills, but he has to get some consistent minutes to develop any kind of rhythm with this team to determine if he can fill that role. It doesn't seem like Ime believes he can do that yet and with us playing so well I can understand his mentality.

    Believe @Nook said he needs to show Ime he deserves the minutes and that makes sense. So c'mon RS fight your way into the rotation, you can do it!
     
  6. mac_got_this

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    We could bring in a vet pg to help mentor Reed since it’s been brought up that FVV isn’t interested I that role. Landale and Hiluday, and 2nd rounders for Brogdon.


    I’m not even interest in moving Tate because he serves multiple role and is a real Swiss Army knife
     
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  7. OremLK

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    Yeah, this type of package is about what I'm hoping we can trade to get a backup point guard. That's really all I'm talking about, a rental type of guy under contract for either the rest of this season or maybe through next season.
     
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  8. Houston77

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    So...is a backup PG/combo guard really that needed? We just beat the Cavs twice with Cam, Tate, Eason, and Adams off the bench. When Bari returns, Tate will fall out of the rotation. We have Sheppard, who I hope still start getting minutes again soon. Is it really worth giving up assets for like a 10th/11th guy?
     
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  9. OremLK

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    My biggest two things--maybe I wasn't that clear about this are:

    1. If Fred VanVleet gets hurt, we are screwed. He is really, really important. We won against the Cavs with him, I don't think we stand any chance without him and with no real backup who can do some of the things that he does that our roster lacks (high volume 3P shooting, ballhandling, playmaking).

    2. Because we have no legitimate backup, Fred VanVleet is much more likely to get hurt. This guy is in his 30s now, he's playing 36mpg, in the top for 15 minutes per game in the NBA. He's been pretty durable recently, but that hasn't always been the case, he has missed nearly half the season with injuries multiple times in the past. We've gotta get that minutes load down and it's clear Ime doesn't trust Reed Sheppard or Aaron Holiday enough to shift some minutes over to them from Fred.

    Again, I'm not saying we should give up major trade assets. The Phoenix and Brooklyn picks would be completely untouchable in a deal like this IMO. Same goes for all members of the young core and all starters. However, I think it's worth a second round pick or two to address this issue.
     
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    the more I think about it the more I feel Coby White is a perfect fit for us. 24 years old combo guard who shouldn't be super expensive (maybe 2 fr picks and reed or cam). if we could get him to sign an extension for about 25/30 mi a year, it would be a perfect addition who would fit extremely well with your core.
     
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    Well spelled out.
     
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    I don't think Coby is available. I also don't think the Rockets are willing to give up 2 FRP's and Cam for him. I think he would be a great fit, but it takes 2 to tango. Ball or Brogdon are both more likely in my opinion and can probably be had for 2nds and filler. I also like the idea of another backup PF that can shoot if the price is right. No major trades are in the offing, mainly because none of our preferred targets are available.
     
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  13. No Worries

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    If Fred VanVleet gets hurt, we are screwed.

    If Alperen Sengun gets hurt, we are screwed.
    If Jalen Green gets hurt, we are screwed.
    If Amen Thompson gets hurt, we are screwed.
     
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  14. OremLK

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    I think we could actually potentially survive those guys getting hurt because we have more depth at those positions. I'm not saying we would survive it, but it's not "holy sh*t we are so done" the way it is if FVV goes down for an extended period. At every other position, we have other players who can fill in and be starting caliber, or at least come close to it. Of course it would hurt to lose any of those guys, but we can fill the minutes with solid production.

    This team is actually very deep and well-balanced. The only glaring hole in our depth is that we're relying on Aaron Holiday as a backup point guard. That would be like if Jae'Sean Tate was our only backup forward, or Jock Landale was our only backup center--he's that level of player, kind of a fringey rotation guy. Definitely not a Steven Adams level player (who has had a long career as a starter) or a Tari Eason level player (who would probably start for a lot of teams that had less forward depth).
     
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    Collin Sexton.
     
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  16. Aruba77

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    Like the Coby White and Sexton mentions, but I don’t think they are attainable without a big overpay. I say let’s go out and get Malcolm Brogdon for a couple 2nd rounders.
     
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    What is an overpay to get a starting point guard of the future that fits the core? I don’t think said player should be a star either. What is the price for a super role player of need? FRPs or young talent or top bid in free agency or do we wait and draft one (time)?
     
  18. OremLK

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    Man, the more I think about it the more I really do want to trade for Alvarado if he's available for a non-insane price. Adding a 41% three point shooter on high volume (comparable shot volume to FVV or Green) to this group would be such a boon. We just don't have anybody who shoots the way Alvarado has this season. Add on top of that, he does a lot of the other stuff FVV does too--pesky on-ball defender who gets a lot of steals, good playmaker and ballhandler who takes care of the ball, so he provides that much-needed redundancy I've been talking about.

    Get 'er done, Stoney
     
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  19. Williamson

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    I am really hoping Lonzo Ball is released. He would be perfect. Big sturdy point guard who shoots it from the three and plays great defense. I haven't watched him this season to know if all of that is still true, btw. But Ball before the injury would be perfect on this team.
     
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  20. Aruba77

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    those guys are definitely worth a 1st round pick, but they will cost more. This is Danny Ainge we are talking about. Coby white is probably Chicago’s 2nd best player and young enough to be part of a rebuild. I’m skeptical we can get either without emptying much of our draft pick coffers or giving up one of our core 7. But what do I know. I do like both of those targets. Just don’t want to disrupt the current winning roster and I don’t think people realize we don’t actually have a ton of draft picks.
     

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