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Trump education policy

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Os Trigonum, Nov 12, 2024.

  1. Salvy

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    Think about it harder Salvy, lol.

    It might explicitly be against some of your proclaimed core values. It might actually be woke.
     
  3. fchowd0311

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    Can't wait till Elon and Trump bring back free speech to America.
     
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    Dude that's our district.

    The principal was actually forced out because of his call for unity. The photo issue was brought up later in an effort to find more reasons to fire him. He was loved by the Students and fostered a very healthy environment. The lady that took his place was terrible and only lasted 2 yrs. She is now gone. The current guy is better but still not near as good as Whitfield.

    Then one of the board members broke laws by speaking publicly on the termination and got sued by the Principal, so she counter-sued. The District is now paying for all these lawsuits.

    The board literally took 9 straight years of budget surplus and turned it into consecutive years of deficits despite cutting costs - all due to the large tax cuts to the wealthy homeowners.

    The board also ended the decades long annual scholastic book fair because they didn't like one of it's executive twitter post. This book fair was a huge event at the elementary schools and also helped raise money for the individual schools.

    2yrs ago the library at our daughters high school was closed the entire year. It was open last year, but the hours were so limited that it's not actually available for use. Same this year.

    They also pretty much isolated educators by creating a "hitlist" of teachers with opposing viewpoints that they want to fire. Which has caused all teachers to be afraid of speaking out..so much so that parents were sent into school board meetings to read letters from anonymously written teachers.

    They also brought in their own private lawyer to sit in each school board meeting at a costs of thousands per year that they charged to the district (which already has it's own lawyers).

    Teachers leaving the district annually is now about 15% higher than the state average.

    This year, for the first time in over 30yrs, the district is not giving teachers their annual step-up in pay.

    Now there is rumblings of the school board entertaining the idea of splitting the district in two. Evidently the richer Colleyville side board members do not want to be associated the the less rich Grapevine side which was multiple lower end apartments and a couple of trailer parks. We're seeing this play out in a neighboring district right now that is trying the same thing along economic lines. Both districts were taken over by the west Texas Patriot mobile backed right wing crazies.
     
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  6. Os Trigonum

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    here's the EO link

    under sec. 3:

    (e) In addition to identifying relevant authorities to curb or combat anti-Semitism generally required by this section, the Secretary of State, the Secretary of Education, and the Secretary of Homeland Security, in consultation with each other, shall include in their reports recommendations for familiarizing institutions of higher education with the grounds for inadmissibility under 8 U.S.C. 1182(a)(3) so that such institutions may monitor for and report activities by alien students and staff relevant to those grounds and for ensuring that such reports about aliens lead, as appropriate and consistent with applicable law, to investigations and, if warranted, actions to remove such aliens.

     
  7. fchowd0311

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    Are college students being held to a higher standard than the Elon "I'm the richest man on the planet who believes Jews organize to make white people villains" Musk?


    Actually who am I kidding. American society is based on holding people with more power less accountable. Its a core part of the American way.
     
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    I have no idea what you're talking about here, but this is one of the types of cases that might be affected by this EO:

    CORNELL GRAD STUDENT WHO ATTENDED PRO-PALESTINE PROTEST COULD BE FORCED TO LEAVE U.S.
    "They want to make an example out of me," says Momodou Taal, a U.K. citizen who believes he was singled out for disciplinary action

    https://www.rollingstone.com/cultur...ell-protest-palestine-immigration-1235112444/
     
  9. fchowd0311

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    I don't see a link?
     
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    it's there but if it doesn't work just google "Momodou Taal"
     
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    I'll ask this, because you are probably the most interesting poster to ask on this subject, along with @B-Bob, any thoughts on this EO?

    As a broader question, I've seen you characterize the left/dems as the bigger threats to democracy / freedom / the nation as we know it, in comparison to the right/repubs over the last few years. We've seen the birthright citizenship EO, the federal freeze, and this within the last few days. Are you still feeling that way, generally?

    Edit, also I see the link. If he's using the term link as in to a webpage.
     
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    this one is complicated, and because the thing has only been out for about thirty minutes (seriously), nobody has had any time to digest it. In-house counsel actually put me on the job of sending her the link as soon as it hit the Whitehouse.gov site. Pretty sure she'll be working on it all day tomorrow.

    I will tell you that there's been (a) an awful lot of bad reporting on the subject in the press since Oct 7; and (b) there's been an awful lot of political grandstanding by members of Congress trying to browbeat institutions of higher education as an easy way to score points in the media.
     
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    Nothing there indicates that he was being violent, threatening violence, or harming the health and safety of others. If you are advocating for Palestinians in a campus protest, even peacefully, you are now a target for being deported. Can't say I'm surprised by this.
     
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    in that particular case, the student was on a strike three of a "three strikes you're out" institutional policy. Strike three carried with it a suspension from his academic program. That would have had the effect of invalidating his visa--and that invalidation is what could have led to his deportation.

    The compromise that was arrived at was to suspend/ban him from being on campus: since he was in the middle of writing his Phd thesis, he was working from home. The compromise allowed him to stay in his academic program and preserve his student visa status.

    The next student who finds him/herself in this situation may not be so fortunate.
     
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    OK. But was attending and speaking at a pro-Palestinian protest really in itself a violation of some institutional policy?
     
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    he trespassed. the institution had established locations where protests could occur; inside classroom buildings where and when classes were being conducted are emphatically off-limits. They had surveillance footage of this student ignoring police orders to stay outside the building where he was arrested; footage of him pushing police aside as he entered the building; and footage of his arrest. He violated about a half dozen campus regulations that day.
     
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    I suspect there's a fine line here. My interpretation of this would be "it's within your constitutional right to peacefully and lawfully demonstrate in support of your nation and people....but demonstrating hatred and supporting violence against others based on religion, race, gender, or sex is prejudice should not be tolerated by our universities."

    If that's what the EO means, I agree, but only to a certain extent: the school should discipline or expel them, BUT... publicly spewing hatred should not be illegal - we've got to have freedom of speech, even if it's hate speech. No arrests or citations should be done for that, assuming there are no violent actions and they aren't infringing on other people's rights.
     
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    So if a student says Palestinians don't deserve a state that would be directing hatred towards a ethnic group right?

    Also there is this question if whether the accusations of anti-semtisim are in bad faith to protect a nation state that has a modern war machine, fifth gen stealth fighters and nuclear arms. Attaching a religion to that entity is kinda what helps spread anti-semtisim in the first place. When Bibi tells the world that the leveling of Gaza and the ethnic cleansing of 1.5 million humans is because of Judiasm that isn't going to really help anti-semtisim is it?

    The reality is this isn't because of Judiasm. Its because Israel is based on a colonial settler movement and those are inherently always violent whether it's Boers, Jewish people, British colonists in America etc. It doesn't matter. It's the inherent nature of settler colonialism that causes this, not Judiasm.
     

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