I care a lot about heart and I care about winning. I have heard an amazing amount of cope about FVV's heart and why it is worth $43M over better options. No one is talking about dumping him for a bag of skittles. (I expect a lot of this backlash to any criticism comes from the fact that we can compare him to another specific option that existed at exactly the same time with the initials JH.) Back to back 2 for 9 from FVV doesn't keep anyone warm at night. Tuckwagon at $8M being scrappy and maybe getting a couple of shots a night or going 2 for 9 is completely different. He was glue and heart and our best defender. $43M is supposed to be peak Jordan, Bron, DURANT. I am sure Ryno had a lot of heart but I can only remember hating him suck up $20M in cap on the bench while our team's future crumbled as Harden and the rest of our guys fought with one hand behind their back facing the Hamptons Five. Heart matters a lot and so does brains. Numbers are real, like it or not. I believe Durant would come here knowing he could win and give the effort including D. I think he respects Ime. I see him yelling a lot so he obviously has fire in him and still puts up the numbers. We are not talking about someone shutting it down. He wants to win for his legacy. We look at his moving around as a negative but the money is the same no matter where he is. He went there to win. He performed at a high level. When we look at the reasons why Brooklyn collapsed or Phoenix collapsed or OKC collapsed, we don't point to KD. The playoff experience argument to me is moot because it is going to happen regardless. Whether we do something or not, all will be revealed. I would rather warts and lumps be mitigated rather than killers. Ime and the FO already know where we are weak and what can be done. Our guys are young, poor and inconsistent shooters. There is significant evidence that they will improve with time (years). I don't need the playoffs to confirm reality. They're not going to lose because they were scared or intimidated. They are going to lose because ball didn't go in the basket. I want an edge to counter that outcome. Team confidence is a real thing. Ask how the Rockets won so many games with Harden and couldn't do **** without him. You tend to shoot better when the other team is scared of something you have. The logic here is direct and sound. It has a high probability of not happening. I just don't want to find out that it was not pursued for the BS reasons I have heard. Sell it to the masses all you want after the fact but I don't want it being the real reason we did nothing.
A couple of differences. The Knicks were already a good team before the trade. They were given up a lot of their own pick which project in the late 20s. And the Kings don’t want to rebuild. They want win-now players. You get two who are still very young but not projects and a couple of picks. This pick can come from the spurs or other teams whose pick they own. The Spurs could have three of the top 11 this year. Get one or two of those and be done. Plus, they are the Kings. They will just blow those picks anyway.
You're throwing numbers at a non existent problem though. Im not a big FVV guy, but he fits. He doesnt hog the ball or hinder the development of the other guys. Same with Dillon. James if he was here would be looking out for James and his own legacy. I love that guy, but he is what he is. Same with KD. They get theirs no matter what and winning sometimes feels secondary. Sad we never built lasting chemistry with James or gave him enough peripheral talent to win it all. I think there has been lessons learned from that experience for this front office. Im just having a hard time going along with assumptions that any "star" level player is going to push this team farther. We're 32-14! Its been a damn near perfect season. Every single year there is a fresh batch of disgruntled stars. To be completely honest Im not that high on either Fox, KD, Booker, Butler or whoever else has been mentioned. I'd rather wait for Luka to get pissed off. Or Tatum. Or Donovan. REAL needle movers that can give this franchise more than a year or two of sustained expectations.
He’s been in one playoff series in his entire career and they lost to a relatively weak Warriors team. He was 5 for 19 in game 7 at home and they lost by 20. He had a good series but we don’t need to act like he is some sort of playoff hero.
Tomball Jimmy wants Phoenix. Houstonian Fox wants San Antonio. These TX Boyz aint 'hol it dine for h tine'
TBH this is a long-running pattern I can't remember any Houston area native stars who were ever eager to head on home Maybe players just don't want to be around their families asking them for money all the time though (understandable)... but then again LA and New York don't seem to have this problem.
In the end, players want notoriety/winning/getting paid. Jimmy wants Phoenix because they'll give him an extension he's not worth. Fox wants SA because Wemby makes the Spurs a spotlighted team and plenty of space to give him that max extension. Houston was never giving Butler any long term deal and it's likely they would not guarantee Fox that max deal either. LA/NY don't have this problem because they have built-in extra endorsement money that you don't get with most other places. It is what it is. At least be glad Houston isn't OKC or Indiana, where players actively shy away from if possible.
I mean he did play with a broken finger on the shooting hand, ppl have bad game 7s alot of stars and a lot of average players have great game 7s , one series yeah but he did play well to go to a game 7, Devin Booker went to a couple and went the bed too losing by 40 and 30 at home before , so it happens
There is some advantage of waiting until the summer. If teams are offering this year's pick(s) to the Kings, they can see what # the picks end up being.
Spurs should've tanked for a Top 5 pick this year. Rich Paul is trying to orchestrate an acceleration of their timeline and it isn't smart.
If San Antonio is truly what he wants them I am out. Don't want any cake and eat it too p***y on our team.
but he only shoots 6 three's a game and shoots 54% on 2 pointers I think its worth looking into like Rockets and Fox discuss his expectation, role, sacrifice, and adjustment
I’ll just say that it sucks players can kill their team’s leverage by demanding out and threatening to only sign with one team long term. It’s one of the reasons GMs need to take early, decisive action when it’s clear a star doesn’t want to be with your team. I know it’s been happening for years, and teams have a responsibility to put out a winning product that keeps their stars happy, but it kind of sucks for your franchise. These guys get paid so much money. They shouldn’t be able to dictate where they play at the expense of hurting their team while they are under contract. he’s a good player and will be scary on the Spurs. And I know this kind of thing can work in our favor at some point, but I hate this trend. It makes me think we should just invest in our home grown talent. Trade malcontents but build something that all our guys want to stay with. And for god sake please keep drafting talent.
He's a ball dominant player. Fox and Haliburton wasn't a raging success. How exactly do Fox and Jalen coexist?
