This is what I would do if they want Palanco and Bregs. They also could move Meyers (I would move him for peanuts) or Chas.
More or less some version of sentimentality. They know what they are getting, whatever value they place on his culture/leadership/intangibles, keeping Altuve happy, his popularity in the city/community/etc. he's a fan favorite that brings things that random old-new-guy (Arenado) doesn't necessarily offer. Altuve would happily move to LF for Bregman. Would he do so for some guy he has no relationship with?
"That's what free agency is." So is moving on and taking money OFF the table. I want Bregman to sign the offer and come here happy. However, if he returns with a chip on his shoulder, I want no part of him. And I'm one of his biggest fans. I guess I'm just fed up with pouty Millionaires.
I wonder if Boras is making up imaginary scenarios again. When the Astros were capped out, Bregman had no suitable deals (teams were only willing to give him 3 and 4 year deals). All of a sudden the Astros clear the Presley’s deal, and Bregman is a hot commodity all over. I’m not so sure the Astros are open for negotiations. Seems all they said was the deal is still open. Maybe this is a goodwill gesture so other teams Bregman is negotiating with will at least include a six year. I seem to remember reading that after the Presley trade, the Astros are now under the cap; which is what they were trying to do. Signing Bregman puts them in the first tier cap once again, but at least now they’d be under the 2nd tier salary cap. If the Astros are allowing themselves to be used as a true non-imaginary team to drive up negotiations so that Boras can get his client his money; that’s somewhat noble and disturbing. Which is what I thought may be going on, since it’s seems the Bregman negotiations had stalled league wide. Now that teams know there is a legit offer of 6 years 156 million, it establishes a floor for all Bregman negotiations.
Can anyone explain to me how the tiers work? As in how bad of a hit it is tax wise for each of them? LMGTFY, I know. Lol.
You're fed up by pouty millionaires? Where has Bregman pouted? Where have you heard a single complaint or anything else out of his mouth? And your response is you want your owner to be a pouty billionaire? "He wouldn't sign quickly enough, so even though it doesn't afffect me at all, I'm going to hurt my team by pulling the offer out of spite!" You're just a shitty human being in general.
I don't think that's what's going on, but if it is, I don't think it's disturbing. The Astros should want whatever other team signs him to pay as much as possible because they are competitors and it limits their abilities to improve in other ways.
Yeah- tier 1 is like 20% tax or something and has penalties associated with talent acquisition by moving down in the draft some and losing some international signing money if you sign free agents. tier two goes a little higher in tax amount like 30% maybe? And goes up to 40M over. tier 3 you get a higher tax and more consequential penalties in talent acquisition. All of this gets worse if you repeat and much worse if you repeat 3X in a row. the Astros lost a 3/5 round pick and 500k in international money and paid about 7M in tax as their consequence from last year. All this is off the top of my head and is directionally correct even if the details aren’t perfect.
https://vdgsports.com/mlb-luxury-tax-explained-threshold-competitive-balance-tax/ The above article is very good. But there is a monetary penalty that is tier based base in how much you exceed the CBT. Then there are draft pick penalties, including losing picks. The whole thing is quite involved, but it is quite impactful to team with limited resources. Having Dodger money, or revenue from YES type networks allow teams to really ignore those penalties. MLB establishes thresholds, and teams get penalized each time a teams salary hits a certain threshold. Currently, the luxury tax increases based on the number of consecutive seasons above the CBT threshold, but this was not always the case. If a club "dips below the luxury tax threshold for a season, the penalty level is reset."[1] In addition to the luxury tax, teams also must pay surcharges for exceeding certain thresholds starting with the 2016 CBA.
The reason I say it’s disturbing is that we’d be helping Boras get his way, when the market is kind of settling on a lower value contract. The Astros helping Boras and his negotiating tactics makes it feel just dirty. But it is for Bregman, a fella that has been invaluable to this current dynasty run - so I’m happy the Astros set it up that if they do end up signing him, at least they don’t go into that 2nd tier CBT tax penalty. Bregman has done everything the Astros ask of him. I think the Astros know that 6 years 156 million is very fair. So if nobody is willing to pay, well the Astros will because they know Bregman is still worth it. Having too much depth at one position has never stopped these Astros from getting talent. Here the Astros had Correa, yet still drafted SS in the top rounds the next few seasons. They have Yainer Diaz and draft a 1st round catcher last season. Astros are a smart organization, and they know Bregman is worth at least 6 years 156 million.
I think the flipside of this is that if some team is willing to pay more $156MM if someone else if offering $156MM, then that's his actual market value. No team is going to pay more than they think he's worth, but they may try to get him for less than he's worth. So Boras and the Astros basically would be just trying to get him what he's actually valued at.
I'm sure Toronto has an offer that might be a little bit higher then 6/156 (but once you break it down it won't be higher and if it is not by much). Plus does he want to play for a Toronto team who more then likely will lose their two best players after this season?
I think Alex is worth more to the Astros than anyone else. I have no idea how much more - it's very hard to quantify that The Astros made an offer in line with what they feel that value is. The problem with that is Boras and Alex want that value to apply to all teams but it doesn't - and shouldn't. They are trying to get other teams to agree and acknowledge this value that they don't know about so their offers are equivalent. And they want that to get the Astros to raise their offer. None of it is working - cut bait and take your $156M
