I honestly haven’t been watching what Fox has been doing as of late but I know what he is capable of despite what the numbers may be. I personally think a change of scenery would do him some good and he would flourish here. I get your point but I have always said when it comes to Fox, FVV would be who I send them with a couple picks. We probably would have to give up one of the young guys (Cam/Reed) as well but to me it would be worth it for what Fox would bring to this team.
The net rating stats are only useful for lineups- not for the individual player. Jabari's positive stats there are dependent upon his teammates. EPM and DPM factor in his teammates and give a better illustration of his impact on the court. Jabari is -0.4 on offense and -0.5 on defense. He has not been very good on either side of the ball this season He is a good rebounder for his position and we do miss that. He has the potential to be a good player but is not currently. We'd be wise to see how he plays next season and determine his future contract based on next season's performance. The current version of Jabari is several tiers below Jalen Johnson, Troy Murphy and Jalen Suggs.
The performance of this team combined with the youth of this team is pretty awesome. We're not really kicking anyone's ass because of Jabari Smith or Reed Sheppard though. Some difficult financial decisions are coming up as well so decisions will have to be made and that's fodder for message boards. Also, you forgot Sengun.
Amen and Alpi i’m ok with initiating the offense at times, but Jalen no. He is at his best just focusing on getting the ball in positions to attack and score, but not so much setting others up to score. But my question would be why couldn’t we still have these options you presented with Fox also? He wouldn’t take those possibilities away by being on the team.
I really hope you are correct in this assumption .... It makes keeping the necessary pieces much easier long term.
What? This just isn't true whatsoever. Frankly, it's a little absurd. Standardize parameters (i.e., 30+ mpg and 30+ games played), and NetRTG is one of the best breakdowns of overall value of a player. EPM is a poor metric to evaluate players like Smith who have a low usage rate. Frankly, I'm wary of these "catch all" metrics. They lead to absurd results, such as DMP listing Paul George 15th overall when he's having a terrible season.
Net rating stats show what happens in this case when Jabari is on the court. Although Jabari is part of that data, the other four guys on the court are equal parts of that. Jabari's positive data in net rating is related to having excellent teammates. EPM stats factor in his teammates. EPM changed it's data this season and broke it into two separate sets. One is predicted performance and the other is actual. The predicted includes previous seasons to try to predict how a player will perform. I think they probably are trying to appeal to degenerate gamblers in that case. They have a separate ACTUAL set that shows how a player performs this season. Paul George is at +0.7 this season which seems like a good reflection of his performance this season. Dillon Brooks and Tari Eason both have better EPMs this season than Paul George which is wild.
Sorry, not buying it at all. If that were true, then (1) the entire starting lineups of the best teams would be at the top (which they aren't); and (2) there wouldn't be major discrepancies between starters on the same team (there are). Even assuming what you're saying is somewhat true, it doesn't explain away the fact that Bari has the best defensive rating on the team. Your analysis seems overly simplistic and not based in reality.
As I said, standardize the numbers (30 mpg, 30 games played). And, again, no one has explained how Bari’s teammates are why he has the lowest defensive rating on the team.
Kings are 10 - 4 (W - L) since Doug Christie took over (.714 win percentage) as coach Currently 24 - 22.......I think they are on pace to win 49 games I wouldn't expect D Fox would be available
I couldn't care less about Fox. At this point, I don't want any move that would require more than SRPs.
Earlier in the season I wanted the Rockets to get out of either / or Dillon / VanVleet contracts at the dead line. Now I'm just looking at trading our spare parts to fill a hole (shooting) People want a star this summer, but I think they feel they can use Tate, Adams, Holiday, Jeff Green to do it. Rockets only have Jock Landale still on contract this summer. For a star in the summer the Rockets have to use some of VanVleet, Dillon, Cam Whitmore, Jabari, Tari, Jalen Green or Sengun. Kinda a waste of letting Tate, Holiday, Jeff Green, Adams walk with nothing coming back in return. I expect maybe just Jeff Green and or Holiday being traded right now for someone like Caleb Martin.
Fake Bob Williams trade from Vecenie https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6082331/2025/01/28/nba-trade-rumors-pistons-bulls-lonzo-ball/ • LA Clippers trade P.J. Tucker and a second-round pick to Portland • Houston Rockets trade Jock Landale to LA and a second-round pick to Portland • Portland Trail Blazers trade Robert Williams III to Houston Why it makes sense The ultimate goal of this deal is to reunite Williams with Ime Udoka in Houston. Udoka’s lone season as head coach in Boston is when Williams made second-team All-Defense and was arguably the best per-minute defender in the NBA. Williams has dealt with injuries since then, including this season. However, when he’s been on the court, his impact remains clear. He’s an awesome screener and does a good job of creating plays for his teammates as a short-roll passer. He can roll all the way to the rim and finish effectively. Defensively, his instincts are still top-notch, and he impacts the game as a ball-screen defender, with the ability to show and recover or play in drop coverage. Steven Adams has gotten better as the season has gone on for the Rockets and been a solid backup center, but when healthy, Williams would be an upgrade — especially in the playoffs for Houston — because of his defensive versatility. On top of that, neither has exactly played a full schedule so far. Adams has played 30 games, and Williams only 17. Udoka could expect to have at least one of them each night and could mix and match depending on matchups when they’re both available. Then, with Adams being a free agent this offseason, Williams could potentially step into the full-time backup role next offseason if his health allows. For the Clippers, they kill two birds with one stone here. First, they get another option at backup center in Landale. Currently, they’re playing Mo Bamba real minutes, and he’s unsurprisingly been unable to truly grasp the spot. Landale is physical and tough and knows where he’s supposed to be. He’s not the best athlete, but he would give them something different than what Bamba brings. He’s more capable than a difference-maker, but a capable option might be enough to help the Clippers. More importantly, though, Landale only makes $8 million and has two non-guaranteed years after this one. The $3.5 million difference in salary between Landale and Tucker, who heads to Portland in this deal, is enough to get the Clippers under the luxury-tax line. For that help, they send a second-round pick to Portland. Portland actually subtracts money off its books in this deal by trading Williams for Tucker and acquires two second-rounders for Williams. If Williams had proven himself healthier this season, the Blazers could have gotten more for him. However, the team needs to open up minutes for lottery pick Donovan Clingan, and I find it difficult to believe they’ll be able to find a taker for Deandre Ayton. Why it won’t happen The biggest factor here is the medicals on Williams. Will the Rockets’ front office clear Williams enough to make this deal? At this price point where they’re only giving up a second-round pick, it feels like the risk is worth it. However, with an extra year on his deal, if the Rockets have concerns, they might not want to make this swap. For the Clippers, they have other ways they can get under the tax. They could deal Bones Hyland attached to a second-round pick into someone’s traded player exception or into their cap space. If they don’t have a particularly positive grade on Landale as a player, they could easily just look elsewhere. In the Blazers’ case, if they think they could get more for Williams by letting him play out the rest of the year and waiting until the summer to deal him, that could be worthwhile. That would be risky, though, given Williams’ injury history. It would also continue to clog up the center position and give them fewer minutes to Clingan to help him develop.
Why not both? POR: Tucker (LAC) + 1 SRP via HOU + 1 SRP via LAC LAC: Landale (HOU) + Tate (HOU) HOU: Time Lord (POR) + Bones (LAC) Gives Rox another playmaker / offense initiator / outside shooter (& Bones is playing defense like a mug this year) + Time Lord's defense for playoffs
https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/st...ne-tiers-deal-scenarios-outlooks-all-30-teams Bob Marks: Portland receives: Jock Landale 2025 second-round pick (less favorable of Houston and OKC) 2026 second-round pick (most favorable of OKC, Dallas and Philadelphia) 2027 second-round pick (via Memphis) Houston receives: Robert Williams III In this trade, the goal is to ask for a future first from Houston, but Williams' injury history downgraded his value to three seconds. The contract for Landale in the next two seasons is non-guaranteed. __________________ Chicago receives: Khris Middleton Bobby Portis 2031 top-2 protected first-round pick Milwaukee receives: Zach LaVine Toronto receives: MarJon Beauchamp Cash considerations Houston receives: Delon Wright Cash considerations LaVine is having a career year and Milwaukee is in win-now mode. This deal adds scoring punch for a team that has climbed out of its early funk but still trails the other elite offenses in the East. The Raptors and Rockets are included because Milwaukee needs to go below the second apron to aggregate contracts. LaVine is waiving his trade bonus to make the deal work. __________________ Houston receives: Collin Sexton Patty Mills Utah receives: Jock Landale Jae'Sean Tate Four future second-round picks The Rockets rank 28th in 3-point shooting and get much-needed help from the perimeter without sacrificing a first-round pick. Sexton is averaging a career-high 41.6% from deep this season.
