Rockets, Blazers recently conducted trade talks centered on Robert Williams III

Yeah but im not gonna replace him with rgw

 

Well, no, that's a stupid idea.

 

Hes only started 2 games this yr and one was against us

 

He looked good in the start against us

 

BS.....he kicked our @## for 21 points in the second game of a back to back with
21 points by the third quarter while going 4/5 from 3.

When he wants to play "on a tanking team" he can

 

Where do you see double team stats?

 

I would love to add Robert Williams because I want to see what this team looks like with that type of player. We had the Bruno Fernando fiasco where Sengun came out on top, but that was mostly because Fernando is just not an NBA caliber player. Lets see what this team looks like with a player that fits Ime's style. Maybe we will look way better with him and Sengun will get phased out, we know Sengun has a ton of trade value. Or maybe we see the exact opposite, and it highlights how good/important Sengun really is. Either way I think it's a good experiment. At worst he's a good situational backup. As good as Sengun is, I still think it's a "square peg in a round hole" situation with Ime's coaching style and the way he runs the team.

 

question is who/what are you willing to give up for this "experiment"

 

Idk, do we think he's worth a lot? Jock Landale and a second round pick? Maybe two picks? As long as it's a package of useless player(s) and includes no first round picks I like it. Maybe I'm way off and he's got real value, in which case I wouldn't go after him. I don't want to give up anything serious to get him. My post was running under the assumption that he would be pretty cheap to get.

 

I mentioned Williams as a potential target several weeks ago.

Yes, he's a fantastic defender, a game changer .... but he's not displacing Sengun - he'd back up Sengun mainly because of health and limiting his minutes.
I think IF healthy, he's the perfect compliment to Sengun.

No one is talking about first round picks for RW3. It's at most a couple 2's which are likely to be late.

IF Portland does trade Williams, they want to take back as little $ as possible as they are currently a tax paying team. Jock's contract is the bare minimum to return Williams $12.4m getting out of the tax.

I don't think Tate is part of that or if he is, would be rerouted for an additional asset.


Williams is a huge gamble .... 2nd round draft pick(s) and cap relief are sufficient compensation.

 

for landale and a second i don't see why anyone would be upset.

 

I don't really disagree with what you've said about Williams but there's one BIG question and that's his health.
When healthy he may be one of the top 3 big defenders / rim protecters in the game. Betting on him being healthy is just that, a gamble and quite a few people are against that ..... and considering his past availability, I understand the pushback.

I think that's worth the gamble of Jock's contract and minor draft assets (couple 2nd's that we have no roster space for anyway)

I don't want Avdija .... we've got enough bodies fighting for forward minutes as it is - Jabari, Tari, Amen and even Cam have logged significant minutes at the 4. Just not a need and don't want the cap hit going forward.

Rather make a move for a combo guard who can run the point in another deal.

 

I don't know about the questions on his availability. If you look into it a little closely, you will see that they were very generous with the recovery time for his injury and early in the season they were discussing being proactive with his injury and building him up. I don't think he's been INJURED much. I think it's been mostly soreness and load management here and there on a tanking team. If you watch him right now, he is in excellent shape overall. I think it's a good bet. I think what's really happening is the Blazers are overwhelmed with good C's who want minutes and they all truly deserve it (Ayton/Clingan/Williams).

Personally I want a stretch 5, I think we'll be fine at guard with Jabari back and either he or Brooks boosting the bench. Having a stretch 5 brings out the opponent's rim protector most of the time, that's many degrees of difference better than bringing out the opponent's PF or PG for example. It's the opponent's rim protector that makes a massive difference in Green and Amen's finishing at the rim once they blow by their defender. This is only important because we're not just in need but in desperate need of spacing/shooting and we don't want to touch the core. I know we can get a shooter anywhere, but if I had to choose one bench player, surely a stretch 5 who's a competent defender from the bench would be the most ideal. It helps Amen/Green/Cam and can play with Sengun at times. I think we need something a little more "radical" for Ime and I'm sure he can coach any lineup to over-achieve defensively. We need a lot more dimension in our offense, weapons.

 

Yeah but at the same time I think there's 0 chance he gets traded for one second rounder. If he was expiring maybe, but he has a year after this one and he's a net positive on his salary. Would be so happy if they are that stupid.

 

He would supplement Sengun, not replace him.


I don't see why you wouldn't gamble on a 5 star prospect when the cost is .... Jock and 2nds (that we have no roster space for anyway)?

 

That's what we'd like to know as well.

How does he compare to Jeff Green or Jock Landale?

Can he rebound and block shots?

 

I dont like Robert Williams he is only under contract for only 2 more years and then he will want a big deal. And thats assuming he is healthy for 2 yrs otherwise we just traded assets for a 12M liability.

Yeah ok Williams is a really good player if healthy but we already had 3 centers in the rotation: Sengun, Adams and Jabari. Why do we need to pay Williams 12M to be the 4rth center? Thats like almost half of Jabari's extension makes zero sense to me.

If we dont think Adams is good enough and want to take that risk we should trade Adams for Williams straight up. Jock Landale for Williams seems like a shortsighted move to me ok you have 3 centers while Jabari is out but when Jabari comes back in, his ability to stretch the floor as a 6'10 guy is actually what complements Sengun and Adams and not Williams. Ime doesnt play a large rotation why would he even play 4 centers in one game? One of Adams or Williams will not play and you just have 12M wasting a roster spot.

Sengun is making 38M and Adams is making 12M now you wanna add Williams making 12M and gonna look for a large extension cuz of his health? Too much money for 1 position IMO.

 

I'd be all in on bringing him here if the price is right, but only if it's for something like Landale and some filler. Then you keep him in bubblewrap on the bench and unleash him in the playoffs to spell Sengun. But you can't give up anything more of real value. Landale is nice to have on your bench. He's more valuable than people give him credit for. I'm sure Portland knows that. Williams is an upgrade, but you can't give up too much for him.

 

You think Ime will play Sengun, Adams and Williams in the playoffs?