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(it's official) NRA Endorses George W. Bush for President

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by ROXRAN, Oct 15, 2004.

  1. ROXRAN

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    NRA Endorses George W. Bush for President

    Wednesday, October 13, 2004


    FAIRFAX, VA -- The National Rifle Association`s Political Victory Fund (NRA-PVF) has endorsed George W. Bush for President of the United States.

    "NRA stands with President George W. Bush on November 2nd," said Wayne LaPierre, NRA executive vice president. "If you believe in freedom and want to preserve the Second Amendment for future generations, vote to re-elect President Bush and Vice President Cheney.

    "In the United States we have a long tradition of hunting and sport shooting," stated LaPierre. "President Bush and Vice President Cheney both love to hunt and fish. They know the Constitution gives people the personal right to bear arms. And, they want to pass the values of our Nation on to a new generation."

    NRA Chief Lobbyist Chris W. Cox added, "Four years ago, NRA members went to the polls and stopped Al Gore`s plans to continue the war on America`s gun owners. But now, we face a greater threat than even the Clinton/Gore Administration posed. John Kerry and John Edwards are the most anti-gun presidential team in our country`s history.

    "Law-abiding gun owners must understand the importance of the 2004 elections for the Second Amendment," Cox said. "America has a clear choice; to side with a candidate who has a long record of protecting our gun rights, or with a candidate who has cast more than 50 votes against gun owners and sportsmen."

    "The future of our freedom is at stake on November 2. Join with us, and ask your family, friends and fellow sportsmen to join with us, in voting for a freer and stronger America. Vote to re-elect President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney," concluded LaPierre.

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  2. ROXRAN

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    John Kerry is Doom if you believe in rights...After the right to bear arms, what is next? The truth is anything "you don't need" is next...

    If a politician wants to control the subjects you do it by taxation and deciding what is allowable...

    I don't want to live under a politician with this mindset. John Kerry has that mindset. He wants to influence multiple restrictions on how you choose to manage your worktime and playtime...He wants to make the decision NOT you, regarding control.

    Some people may want someone else to make all the decisions for them. I don't...If I have to protect my home/family I will...If I want to be prepared against an unlikely, however eventful social breakdown (such as a riot), I want that as well. If I enjoy hunting, let nobody stop me. As my cherished hobby is protected by the 2nd admendment, then the only way they will get them is out of my cold dead hands...

    This year...Did you know Kerry voted for Ted Kennedy's bill to ban ALL centerfire rifle hunting ammunition?

    that in 1996, he voted to kill the civilian marksmanship program?...and did so twice?

    that he voted 9 times...that's right, 9 times in favor of banning all semi-auto firearms?

    Just days from now, we will make a decision on how it will affect us, and our next generation...Do you want the confines of control? ala European-style rule with far less freedom or rights or do you desire self-determined guidance and pursuit as it deals with your own lifestyle?

    On Nov. 2nd we will decide if we are capable of control, decision-making and doing the right thing, or if we are too indifferent to care about our rights, and prefer for the government to tell us how to walk and talk, and play, and work...

    We are at a critical juncture in our history right now. I plead with all D&D posters to examine the political record of Kerry and how his mindset truly dissolves individuality...

    Within the next few years, as many as 4 U.S. Supreme Court justices are expected to retire. If anti-gun politicians regain control of the Senate, you can bet they will use their power to confirm or kill the President's nomination, and if it's Kerry, Is there any doubt nominees will be in tune with Clinton's boy, Seth Waxman, who wrote that the Second Admendment does not extend an individual right to keep and bear arms...Phoney Baloney on this opinion....

    What's more is the U.N. is scheduled to have an anti-gun, anti-freedom international treaty ready for ratification by the United States...If this happens to fruition, then you can bet you will see those blue helmets on our soil. This could very well happen, and I guarantee there will be a civil war if that does happen...

    This future is scary...How do we stop it?...Vote for the right people...

    There are (believe it or not) some good candidates on the Democratic side for U.S. House of Representatives...A few listed which the NRA recognizes as friendly with proven records towards gun rights...

    Lincoln Davis- D, Dist. 4
    Jim Cooper- D, Dist. 5
    John Tanner- D, Dist. 8
     
  3. Batman Jones

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    ROXRAN rulz.
     
  4. Deckard

    Deckard Blade Runner
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    Good luck, ROXRAN, with your effort. I respect everyone who's into the political process, no matter how they stand on things. At least they are interested, as you obviously are. :)

    I have a good friend who is exactly like you... his entire political bent is governed by this issue. And he used to be a liberal independent voter, who had strong liberal views on social issues. Then he went to work, in his mid-20's, for a very conservative company that does a lot of work for the oil industry. He started hanging around the NRA influenced crowd who worked there, and eventually became a one issue voter.

    The first thing I quoted, the Supreme Court appointments, are the most critical reason to vote for Kerry. My friend, if he wasn't caught up in NRA hysteria, would be voting for him just for that reason.

    The second thing I quoted is something I entirely agree with. Make it less frightening by voting for Kerry.

    And the third thing is showing your acknowledgement that there are some Democrats that you're willing to vote for. I happen to think that huge numbers of the Democrats on the NRA's "enemy list" are regular hunters, and have no intention of taking away your guns, unless they happen to fall into a very narrow category. And I suspect that they would allow ownership of those types of weapons, if they were licensed to hobbyists like yourself.

    I know you think that any sort of license is the equivalent of stomping on your rights, and violating the Constitution, but I have to get a drivers license, or a pilot's license, if I wanted to fly. We are regulated to some degree all the time, and often, like when the Federal government blackmails the states to force lower speed limits, or the state blackmails local governments to force them to construct toll roads, well, I'm not very happy about it. But I live life, largely unincumbered by restrictions in most of what I do. It's just the way it is.

    Someday, I hope folks like you begin to look at this in a less emotional manner, and bend a little on this issue. I won't persuade you, and you won't persuade me, but we still boogie in the same country. Life will go on.

    ROXRAN, I'm a gun owner, and am strongly in favor of retaining that right. You know what? Kerry doesn't frighten me a bit.


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  5. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    I, for one, am shocked that the NRA decided to endorse Bush. How can Kerry's campaign stand in the light of this bewildering turnabout?
     
  6. outlaw

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    any comment on Bush at the 3rd debate saying he supported the AW ban but didn't push for its renewal because he "couldn't get the votes" for it in Congress?
     
  7. ROXRAN

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    Unfortunately, this was disappointing to many and I don't think Bush really wanted to renew it if it passed by the houses, but he likely would have signed it...

    This point was why the NRA's position on endorsement was late in the game (although highly expected)...It also was helped by Kerry's anti-gun political record.
     
  8. Oski2005

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    Of course there's no comment on that, it never happened.....oooooooo.....you're getting sleepy....


    I like this paranoid rant about Kerry trying to take people's rights away. One day, people are gonna notice how many guns ROXRAN has and get curious, then his phones are gonna be tapped and his house watched.
     
  9. glynch

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    Roxran is a hoot.
     
  10. ima_drummer2k

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    Actually there is a comment on that. It's right above your post.


    Yes, it kind of reminds me of the paranoid rants in regards to the Patriot Act.
     
  11. Oski2005

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    One, ROXRAN's response wans't there when I started writing my post.

    Two, I'm pretty sure Outlaw was talking about a response from the NRA.
     
  12. outlaw

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    1. why would he sign something he didn't really support?
    2. what kind of leader doesn't stand up for his convictions just because he can't get the votes?
    3. why can't a GOP president get the votes in a GOP controlled House?
     
  13. SamFisher

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    Nothing like intense paranoid fantasia mixed with firearms....
     
  14. ROXRAN

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    Point #1) I'm kinda putting words in his mouth, but I feel he believed in the futility of the 1994 Clinton gun ban, as most who educate themselves on the consequences and results of the ban have concluded...
    With that said, he made a statement that if it was passed in both houses and presented to him to sign, he would...Since the transgression is the will of the people through elected representatives...However, the House of Representatives gained many pro-gun rights politicians after the ban in 1994...Millions of gun owners voted as indicated by an NRA list. The NRA sends all members (including me a list) of who is on our side and who isn't...(with ratings from A+ to F)

    I'm not sure if this list was started after the 1994 Clinton gun ban, but the result was downright unbelievable...Even Clinton himself is on record as stating the gun ban cost at least 20 seats in the House of representatives...Add noted democrats who are gun friendly, and this effect is dramatic...I can't think of a better movement in recent political history which has sparked such change of ideology in Congress...

    The point is Bush knew darn well, the result of the ban being passed in both Houses was moot...Did he play the middle ground with his pledge?...You bet. All politicians will do this at best in many instances...

    I think I answered point #2), and point #3) is lacking in desirable outcome, nothing more...
     
  15. HAYJON02

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    Didn't Bush say in the 3rd debate that he was for keeping the weapons ban in place? I couldve swore he did.
     

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