I don't know if you know what hockey assists means (not mocking at all). You know hockey assists are the ones that don't show up on the stat sheet? It's the pass that leads to the assist. Assists are assists. I'm aware not all assists are created equal and some people hijack an offense to boost their own assist numbers (classic example Stephon Marbury or KPJ) but that's not at all what they're doing in Phoenix. He's the primary playmaker and when he's not shooting he's not pounding the ball waiting for any window to generate an assist. I'm with you up until last season, but Booker has clearly visibly taken a step up in his ability to play PG. I don't know if it's mostly system or watching film or offseason work. It's not reasonable to say it's because of the shooters around him because the same guys were missing the same shots last season on a season's worth of sample size so it can't just be a shooting streak.
Agreed it's worth considering. On the overall (offense + defense) and if you emphasize PG skills, Fox is barely better than FVV imo. I see Fox as a player worth $35m and FVV around $25m. Statistically, FVV is almost exactly an average starter at PG. That would place him 15th in the NBA (could argue close to 10th). Fox is around 5th (could argue close to 3rd). I don't think the gap is as big as people think at this current moment. On the other hand, we should also consider that FVV is likely to decline heavily in the next 5 years and Fox will be in his prime. That future value is what's creating the large gap in present value. Just looking at historical stats won't be enough to make this judgement.
So all the Kings just didnt get a F before? I doubt that. Looking into it more Kings were one of the few teams with a positive net rating but kept losing games. I'm guessing Brown made a few key mistakes that Christie isnt doing like benching Keon Ellis and also Devin Carter is now available to play. Kid has been a really good bench player. Roster decisions matter a lot like how many games we threw away because FVV played 40 mins even if he was 1/11 or something lol.
I think he’s saying booker is the connecting passer in the hockey assist, that’s how I read it anyway. Player1 creates advantage, passes to booker, who passes to the open man.
With the emergence of Amen we dont even need to trade for a max player, we already have Sengun as a 22 yr old All star and Amen as a budding superstar and max player. A max player can just potentially cramp our style and cause us to lose depth by not being able to afford them. The NBA has changed forming a big 3 with vet mins are no longer good enough to compete.
I agree with this. If Ant or Giannis became available this off-season I would go for them as long as Amen or Sengun didn't have to be in the trade package. Other than that, we should selectively add pieces. I'm completely out on Booker, Fox, or that kind of Max player add.
If that's what he meant, what on earth is he talking about? That's called a pass. A regular pass not more or less important than any other pass. You can't set someone up for an assist lol.
Of course I know what a hockey assist is and I stand by my statement - He isn't initiating the play; he catches in the flow of the offense and has enough gravity that defenders react / close out .... and he kicks it to the open man. He's the middle man on that hockey assist - the one credited but not necessarily the one who initiated or created the opportunity.
I get what you're saying but your argument isn't making any sense to me. All the PG's in the league get those assists, we count all of those for everyone. We're not discounting it from Curry who does the exact same thing all the time. We're not discounting it from Fox. That's an assist. We want that assist. If it's so easy to get those assists then why don't we do it? You're making it seem as though those assists are worth less or easier to get. They're not. Those are just assists and he doesn't pound the ball at all, so it's 100% benefitting his team like any other assist. Most important of all, IT'S AN ANECDOTE. It's not even verified. It's a story you told us and we're debating you on the content of it, but that doesn't mean the story is true. You have no idea and no way to prove if that's 1 assist or 7 assists. It's the most eye test thing you can possibly say. Sorry but it almost feels as though you don't want to see that Booker has improved there and playing PG well. Btw, I don't want Booker. I was just surprised by that comment.
Booker looks like he is consistently in the top 6 in this stat in the NBA (top 6 last 2 seasons, top 20ish before that)
You can find them here: https://www.nba.com/stats/players/passing Scroll to the right, it's the column after assists.
Nobody in the league averages more than 1.5/game. Not sure how meaningful that stat is in the scheme of things.
Interesting. I would think there would be more of these per game... Edit: looked it up (again... Google) The definition of the secondary assist of the NBA follows from that of the assist: “A player is awarded a secondary assist if they passed the ball to a player who recorded an assist within 1 second and without dribbling.”
The Sacramento Kings winning Games against over .500 Teams without DeAaron Fox. Latest Win over the Boston Celtics over Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown and their Depth on the road. DeAaron Fox looked real happy with the Kings. Doug Christie Coaching unbelievably Great Basketball. I really doubt DeAaron Fox is moving anywhere, he will only get a SuperMax with the Kings.
You took that entirely wrong .... What I said is he isn't initiating the offense, he's not playing the point, he's getting a lot of assists in the flow of the offense - that doesn't discount their value at all. He's making the right play in those situations and benefits from playing on a team with 4 dudes shooting above 40% and two more at 39+% from 3. He hasn't logged a single minute at the point guard spot this season he has played 32% of his minutes at SG, 60% as the SF and 8 as the PF according to BR. Take a look, in the link below .... 2024-25 Phoenix Suns Roster and Stats | Basketball-Reference.com And that was my point, he's not the PG nor the offensive engine ... he's a complimentary piece - a pretty good one but not one I want to pay supermax money too. Honestly, I'd rather keep Jalen than add Booker, it's not much of any of an upgrade. The guy I want off of that roster is Tyus Jones. He's the one who's getting them into their offense and creating many of those opportunities (with help from Durant) - while shooting .104 better from distance than Booker at .429 and you can probably get him for MLE money. taking him away from that roster would cripple them ....
