Rockets acquire Suns picks, return Nets picks to Brooklyn

I would feel some type of way if in team's trade talk, someone try to dump a Beal on my team. DET is a .500 team this year, no longer full tanking.

One PHX 1st rounder is too low for that much cap inflexiblity.

They're already putting better shooters around Cade, that cap space is valuable if they want to continue the trend.

 

I'm not seeing it for Detroit. They have no bad contracts, a ton of guard prospects to develop, and cap flexibility in 2026. Tobias Harris was already the veteran mentor signing and he expires next summer. They're going to pay Beal $110M over two years (yearly salary more than twice that of Harris'), ruin their flexibility with his NTC, and give him playing time over their prospects for Phoenix's 1st round pick six years from now?

 

He would be very difficult to deal - I agree.

 

But Detroit wouldn’t be inflexible the way Phoenix is. And Beal isn’t a bad player, he’s just a bad fit in Phoenix. I would expect his numbers to improve if he were in Detroit. And I believe they would improve as a team.

 

Agree Beal is not terrible, but that contract is. And I wouldn't do it for just one pick. Det's mandate is just different now.

Cade has said all the right things, but without going too inside baseball, his brother let it slip that he wanted better players around him. Especially better spacing. Troy Weaver didn't do that as he was still trying to BPA draft. There is a level of patience, but if DET don't field a good team around him, eventually it'll be problematic.

There are much better ways to improve that squad without Beal's contract hanging over them.

If the org know the franchise player already. Other young prospects are nice, but focus should be on better fit around Cade. To start, they need a better big. Can upgrade on wings, but they don't need another guard even with Ivey out.

It's the same convos and decision Spurs has to make. They already know the guy is Wemby, a strong portion of that fan base want them to build Wemby sooner than do the stuff tanking teams used to do like renting out cap space to bad contracts for picks.

Wiz and Nets are the type of teams, but I still wouldn't take that Beal contract for one pick. Sun's management made a bone headed move, other teams should not be on the hook to bail them out. The double apron is working as intended.

 

An extra note on the bad teams who are able to rent cap space for draft capital:

Rocket fans remember our tank era, when we had Westbrook, then later became Wall's dead money on the books. If we didn't have those terrible contracts, we could have rented the cap space and accumulated picks like OKC.

The only thing we could've done was wait out Wall's money. Beal's contract, and that no trade clause, is that kind of bad.

The team that takes it, is the next sucker, I wouldn't do it for one pick and would not do if I'm no longer a tanking team.

 

Conceivable
1) Pistons are literally 1 win away from being 6 seed in the East
2) Pistons wouldn't have to gut their team to acquire Beal ([Stewart & Hardaway to MIA // Himmy to PHX // Beal + Burks + 2031 FRP (top 3 protected) + several SRPs to DET]
3) Pistons could use acquired capital to move off of Beal (plus Beal more palatable contract after this season)

 

You need to give this one up Dude. Good batch, huh?

 

The problem is whether a 2031 is as valuable to Detroit if they are on the road to being a winning team. Bradley is still a good player, the problem is that he comes with a lot of injury concerns, which doesn't make sense for Detroit to take on if he doesn't improve them drastically. He would definitely help them this year with Ivey out the rest of the year, but carrying a contract his size for two more years may hamper flexibility for Detroit (I say this with me not going to look at Detroit's salary situation).

 

the Russ for Wall trade was one of Stone’s worst moves and to your point it killed our ability to use our cap space to collect assets for two crucial years. The Suns would need to compensate Detroit in excess of what they actually can (a 2031 pick I believe). I don’t see Phoenix being able to move Beal to anyone. If Vegas is taking bets, I believe Beal remains a Sun till at least the offseason.

 

That Russ/Wall trade, is an old wound, that will give me PTSD .

We lost cap flexibility, and paid Thunder the privilege to do so (with our picks and swaps). The Chris Paul they got mentored SGA. Then Presti flipped Chris Paul for one more PHX 1st round pick.

We were K.O.ed multiple times on that deal.

 

"Finish him!" comes to mind.

 

Westbrook and Wall were on contracts of the same length and similar size so the cap space was a lateral move. There was an asset in that deal to cover the difference in talent. I have a hard time thinking it could have turned out better for the Rockets.

 

What are you saying that is way too much? If they are selling KD. They would get cap fillers and maybe 1 of their picks back that's it. We hold all the cards they can't really do anything without their picks why would we give up anymore?

We not talking about prime KD. This is a 38 year old. We get many 2 seasons out of him. He's not worth more than 1 first round pick. I wouldn't trade Jabari straight up for KD even if we could. It makes absolutely no sense

 

Would you give a rookie max extension to Jabari?

 

The lotto-protected 1st we got was no where near enough. Washington traded Russ to LA a year later for a nice haul. John Wall had been out of basketball on major injury for 2 yrs; was considered one of the worst nba contracts. With a little patience we could have gotten off that Russ money instead of tethering ourselves to Wall’s max contract for two critical years when we needed to use that space to take on contracts and accumulate assets. We ultimately paid John Wall to stay away from the team and then he talked sh#t about how terrible our organization was.

Yeah, it could have turned out better.

 

Wow the suns are struggling right now. And with no reinforcement on the way, Houston’s future draft capital from the suns just got that much better.

 

If you are going to judge Stone poorly for what Washington traded Westbrook for, one should judge the pick Stone acquired for how Stone used it if one wants to be fair.

I have a hard time thinking the Rockets would be in a better position without Sengun.

 

Pistons would still be below 1st Apron next year

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/detroit-pistons/yearly

Would likely need to add a PF & backup C tho.

 

When we traded Russ for Wall we got a pick that we traded to acquire Alpy.

I mean the Russ/ CP3 trade is still live for us, but it has barely burnt us to date. If anything we escaped from it mostly unscathed, and traded back with them to get Alpy.