With significantly improved defense on a second seed. Putting up this numbers on a 22 win team is far less impressive than a potential 50+ win team.
Everyone keeps talking about when/if he finally "figures it out," like there's a switch that gets thrown at some point. It's much more likely that he slowly continues to have a better ratio of bad to good games for the foreseeable future. In other words, there will still be bad games. Just hopefully not as many of them, compared to the good ones. In other other words, both the Jaters and the Greeniacs will have to continue to wait to see whose desired outcome plays out.
Exactly. This is the modern NBA. A lot of star players are high volume three point shooters. Star players have far more "holy **** that was horrible" type ofgl games than before because of the larger reliance on the three point shot. It evens out to a better overall scoring efficiency but variance is going to be greater. Green definitely doesn't have the ratio of of good to bad games that of a star player yet. But he definitely can eventually get there. I feel like a guy like Tatum for example has like 1 stinker ever 5 or 6 games and that's fine in the modern NBA. Youll see a guy like Luka have like a 6-20 night and 6 turnovers once a few weeks
You're super strict about it with others so it's only fair. Hate to do it to you bro but: correlation is not necessarily causation.
It's not that simple. He should be more efficient on a better team, yet he isn't. His assists (and A/T ratio) should tick up as he is surrounded by a better team and naturally improves from year to year, and yet they haven't -- in fact they're at a career low. That indicates a lack of improvement in decision making. Significantly improved defense? A bit generous imo, but alright. I'd agree he's been better. But I would counter by saying that everyone tends to look better when the team overall plays elite defense.
If you think Jalen should be more efficient on a better team what about Sengun? Dude's FG has dropped since his second year. Crazy how that works right? In fact Jalen and Alpi have very similar TS% now they are roughly as efficient on offense. Personally I think the league has just been better and better. The old stars like Lebron, KD and Curry have only marginally declined but we have all these new players popping up like Wemby, Cade, Mobley, Banchero etc I think a good example are the Kings and GSW. Two years ago these two teams were at the top of the WC now they are in the playin. IMO Jalen has indeed been improving on both sides of the ball as has Sengun. Its just the league is also getting better so if you just look at stats it would seem the same.
I think the biggest difference here is that Alperen is the 18th most double teamed player in the NBA. He is at the top of the scouting report and there is a learning curve for facing that pressure. Jalen Green has often been left open by design. We are in business If JG slightly improves his shot making and Alperen improves his efficiency in both the scoring and passing game.
In todays age there are very few big men stoppers though, 3nDs and drop coverage big men are the norm. For example during the Celtics game Jalen was being guarded by Derrick White or Jrue Holiday and then guys like Porzingis and that rando white dude were clogging the paint. Sengun if double teamed means he can pass out to somebody else open for the assist, Jalen may have just 1 dude on him but that's usually the other team's best perimeter defender. I think thats why Jalen can explode vs bad teams is because the bad teams dont have that great perimeter defender whereas teams like Celtics or OKC can put elite defenders on him. In a way I guess this shows Jalen's improving consistency cuz if you leave him open he will make you pay.
It's just a phenomenon of a competitive tribe of any kind. The betas have to be kept under control or they fight. Had to study this for a script, off topic for a minute: The pure classic alphas are the ones who can be confident, strong, charismatic, attracted to powerful partners and show compassion for those who struggle to protect themselves. Does not require external motivation or financial incentives to behave this way. They are not victim-minded but they will always protect victims from bullies even if the victim doesn't deserve to be saved. He/She is picked by the people without marketing themselves. There's something called a True Alpha - that's an alpha whose status was attained by such force of will that there is no one alive who can take it away. Betas tend to be aggressively insecure, commonly referred to as two things: toxic masculinity or cattiness. They're attracted and attractive to weak partners who have low self worth. It's the skin of an alpha and the mind of a beta. Needs to be constantly re-motivated and compensated. They believe victims should be left to the dogs because they are insecure inside so they don't have the emotional bandwidth to help someone who's suffering. He/she is always self-marketed or placed in their role by someone else. If you don't give them a role in society or heal their mind, when their hands are idle these become the bad guys. So, what's happening here on the board is there's no hierarchy so the betas are out of control. Wild mood swings. No patience for discussion, just weasly insults and formulaic repetition of some mantra like "he is what he is" until they successfully trigger someone and high five each other like Beavis and Butt-Head. It's unfortunate but if we want to be on a basketball board we have to practice some radical acceptance of the fact that it's like that pretty much everywhere.
Yes. And please explain what happens in a pnr or dho situation where Sengun is the screener and pops out to the three point line? Oh ya, the defense pretends as if Sengun doesn't exist on the court and blitz Jalen or Fred. Sengun prevents a five out offense that really benefits quick twitch athlete drivers. It works both ways. You only noticing one way is you being biased.
I want you to explain why Jalen Green should be more efficient on this team than lets say if he was on the Wizards. You think Poole on this team being asked to play at a Ime level defensive energy the entire game is putting up the same scoring efficiency on the Rockets? Really? Yes significantly improved...
The last ten games, Green is averaging 24 points on 46/37/83 splits (.57 TS%). For comparison, Booker (28 years old) is averaging 25 ppg on 43/34/89 splits (.574 TS%), and Fox (27 years old) is averaging 27 ppg on 49/32/81 splits (.58 TS%). In other words, if Jalen keeps this up, there really isn't a need to make a "big" trade.
I agree. I think the Rockets have no intention of trading Jalen this off-season, regardless of how he plays the rest of the season. FVV's contract was intentionally structured to allow for flexibility this year or next. He wil be the one moving on either at the deadline this year or in the off-season. It's all about who is available and when. I don't think the Rockets are necessarily even targetting a certain position. They want to be able to take advantage of any situation that comes up. Who anticipated how disgruntled Ant would get so soon after last year? How long before Giannis forces his way off the Bucks? Several teams are headed to total apron hell which will cause players at tier 1, 2, and high value role players to become available. We are in a great place as a team.
Sengun is schemed out with a simple 3-2 zone. Lately he is being punked by bench players like Kornet, Looney and Hartenstein not to mention being clamped by AD, Chet and Wemby more often than not. Post bigs dont command the type of attention you guys like to insinuate especially those who are not a threat outside of 10 feet and who cant hit the broad side of a barn from 0-3. Teams go full game plan in trying to take the ball out of Jalens hands because NOTHING wrecks a defense faster than a 3 level scorer who gets hot -- NOTHING. Jalen is never "left open by design" that is false. Teams close out on Jalen with violence. A bit of projection on your part because it does happen, but to other more beloved players on the team.
100% Most that do so seem like typical DB's that have an agenda or just want to talk ish. It's pretty funny actually.
Sengun gets plenty of attention in the post. He might as well not exist to NBA defenses when he's around the perimeter. Again, if someone says Jalen Green makes Sengun's life harder because they double off him and leave Green open(which they usually don't but occasionally because of bad rotations he is left open), then it's fair to bring up that Sengun prevents a five out spaced offense that really accentuates Green's strengths as a player.
