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Has Jalen turned a corner?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by KingCheetah, Jan 6, 2025.

  1. Bobbythegreat

    Bobbythegreat Member
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    That has been the Jalen experience thus far, constantly "turning the corner" but never getting anywhere.

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  2. pmac

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    What is it, THE BRAIDS !?!
     
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  3. ApacheWarrior

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    Jalen Green splits (24/25) [ as of 01/07/25 ]

    ...............FG%....3P%....FT%....TS%....Pts
    Home.....38.3....29.9....79.7.....49.6.....18.5
    Road.......45.0....35.5....93.9.....58.2.....21.8

    Turning the corner?

    January (3 home games)
    ................FG%.....3P%......FT%.....TS%......Pts
    ................47.0......35.7......90.9......57.9......27.3 (Dallas-Boston-Lakers)

    and it's not even March yet
     
  4. Hemingway

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    I really don't think it's been about home/away as much as style of play and who we are playing. Jalen can turn a corner if Ime has truly turned a corner and got away from the FVV/Sengun heavy offense and if other team's best players keep getting hurt.
     
  5. ApacheWarrior

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    Sure, just a friendly reminder, Rockets were missing Tari, Jabari, and Amen for some of If not
    all of those games.

    I'm mostly knocking the, "Last March was easy competition talk" Boston is #2 seed,
    Dallas is #6 seed, and Lakers are #5.

    Most of this season I've said Jalen Green inconsistency probably is in
    correlation with above average wing defender(s) guarding him and decent
    rim protector waiting for him near the hoop after he gets by, said good
    wing defender. Example Thunder: Dort, Jalen Williams -
    Hartenstein or Chet on the 2nd or 3rd tier of defense.

    Sengun also has his bad games vs the heavy's in the league.
    Jokic, Embiid, Valanciunas, Vucevic. Recently Sengun and Green
    were going off in the first half. Sengun had 14 points by halftime.
    Team went with double bigs and Sengun disappeared for the rest
    of the game. Sengun just has more skinny competition than Jalen
    with his situation....that of best wing defender on him plus
    packed paint. Jalen is going more to midrange shots, imo, recently.

    Now we head out on the road where Jalen Green seems more comfortable.
    I hope he keeps it up. Next Washington.
     
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  6. Rokman

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    Wake me when he performs well in the playoffs. (pulling covers back over my head)
     
  7. gfab-babyboi

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    When folks only looking at box scores they don’t see why a player may struggle - or other team making adjustments … they just make the lazy assumption based on the numbers.

    Folks got mad at me when I said Alpi been struggling all year - he’s had a lot of games that if Rockets didn’t spam FVV/Alpi PnR the last 5min of game he wouldn’t have scored 12+

    Same with JG when he started hot this season and then teams started adjusting coverages to his side and he got frustrated and lazy and started jacking 3s or he gets hot and FVV start taking shots / Ime will sit him half the 2nd qtr
     
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  9. Bobbythegreat

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    While this can be true, it merely highlights the importance of both watching and statistical analysis.

    There are plenty of people out there that simply can't do eye test analysis either without letting their bias run wild or who lack the ability altogether.

    That's where stats can help, by testing your eye test.

    If you think you see one thing, but the stats say something different, you probably didn't see what you thought you did.... or your bias was simply getting in the way of an accurate eye test.
     
  10. ApacheWarrior

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    Cause and Effects

    For every action there is a reaction.
    __________

    People here often say
    Sengun needs 3-point shooting around him to open up his post game. True

    Jalen Green needs 3-pt shooting around him to open up the lane so Jalen can drive. False (c'mon man)
    They say it's just excuses.

    Post game player or facilitators that drive a draw multiple open up 3-point shooters. Cause & Effect
    3-point shooters open up post up game and spacing for facilitators and drivers. Cause & Effect
    _____________

    Here are some stats I jotted down last week. Cavs 3-pt shooting:
    Donovan Mitchell: 41.4%
    Mobley: 43.5%
    Garland: 42.7%
    LeVert: 45.9%
    Ty Jerome: 41.7%
    Dean Wade: 36.2%
    Niang: 38.7

    Number 1 three point shooting team Cavs......you can drive a Mac truck to the rim there
    is so much spacing. Teams have to pick there poison......3's > 2's.......do you send help
    for the driver/facilitators or stay at home near the 3-point shooters? Currently 40.4% (team 3P%)

    Thunder were number 1 three point shooting team last year at 38.5%.....finished #1 seed in West.
    Boston was #2
    T-Wolves were #3


    Rockets need more 3-point shooting or teams will pack the paint more than they are
    in the regular season.

    Playoff team objective #1) stop the #1 option (offense)
    #2) stop the #2 option (offense)
    #3) see if the others can score enough to beat us.

    If the Rockets only have #1 and #2 options...…..then packing the paint kills two birds
    with one stone. Cause and Effects. Our 3-pt shooters are low volume shooters.
    Wrong to count on them to shoot 8 attempts a game and carry us through a series.


    Thunder are no dummies......you can never have enough wings

     
  11. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Chapter 5 - Has Jalen turned a.....

    Man, I really hope this time it sticks.

    DD
     
  12. fchowd0311

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    Stuff like the defense is not a hot streak.

    When a young player shows drastic improvement in such a large part of the game like defense, that's a hopeful sign he'll get to the other parts soon after especially for a player as naturally gifted as Green.

    At the very least we know Green puts in the work to improve.
     
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  13. anchel

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    Yes, I think he's been near the corner for a month, and looks like he's finally turning it right now.

    He looks diferent. Stronger, improved, more mature, confident. Respected.
     
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  14. DaDakota

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    I agree with you about defense, he is much much better there, but his shooting is still suspect and not league average for his usage rate.

    DD
     
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  15. fchowd0311

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    Shooting could be just one of those things that comes last with Green because so much in regards to shooting consistency has a lot to do with conditioning and stamina and for a young player being asked to exert such a high amount of effort on defense, shooting consistency especially for a high usage offensive player who scores a lot of the dribble is a tall order.

    I'm not saying it's guaranteed t will come around. I'm saying there is reasonable hope there is light at the end of the tunnel when it comes to shooting consistency for Green. Things like his ft% is another good indicator his ceiling for shooting consistency hasn't been achieved yet.
     
  16. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    I think he is what he is....a microwave scorer, probably better suited for a 6th man role - ala Lou Williams.

    If we had a knockdown scorer at the SG position he would be on the bench.

    DD
     
  17. fchowd0311

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    Do you have anything to say in regards to what I typed?
     
  18. DaDakota

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    I don’t believe he will come around, no.

    DD
     
  19. KingCheetah

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    'I turned a corner'
     
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