Shams: Jimmy Butler open to being traded to Rockets Mavericks or Warriors

This exactly. Gotta know who you are dealing with. These Suns picks will end up being late lottery at best just based on who the owner is. I'd love for us to pivot to Fox or Simons

 

Who?

 

Anfernee Simons. Great shooter and can split ball handling with Jalen. Wouldn't cost as much as Fox/Booker and would be a huge upgrade over Fred. We can run what we currently run but with better shooting and give up less of the core.

 

D@mn... I thought Himmy just wanted out... now he is calling his shot? Guess he really wants PHX so he can get that shmoneyyyy $$$

I wanted Himmy away from PHX b/c I do he would actually help them be competitive and I want that PHX pick to be HIGH LOTTERY baby

 

The only way Butler gets to Phoenix is if Phoenix can find a rebuilding team that is willing to absorb Bradley Beal’s contract, and Beal is willing to waive his no-trade clause for. Miami is smart to not touch that contract.

 

stupid ass Kings want to act all uppity and start winning games all of the sudden destroying any hope of landing Fox by the deadline

PHX isn’t putting Booker on the market

 

I don't know man. Jimmy is a prideful man. Maybe he decides to call it quits if he doesn't get his way. He opts in next year, collect his final $50M and rides into the sunset. I remember Latrell Spreewell still had gas in the tank, but he decided to essentially quit the game because no team would give him the contract he wanted.

 

Please do not let Stone be this stupid...we are better now than with Butler.....

DD

 

Only way I’d trade for Jimmy is for Jalen straight up. Allows us to have max cap room next season if Jimmy doesn’t pick up the option and we don’t sign Fred

 

I think that's a risk every team is going to have to take when trading for Jimmy anyways though. There's not a team out there except for maybe Phoenix that will have already negotiated an extension that they can live with. The new contract is destined to be a sticking point for basically every NBA team that's going to trade for him anyways because the fact is everyone knows how old he is and there's nothing he can do to change that.

That's why nobody is going to part with anything they weren't already willing to part with anyways, and that's why Miami said awhile ago that they weren't trading Jimmy Butler (because they knew the market for him), but them changing that stance is a sign that maybe they'll just take one of these salary for salary deals just to get usable players back with no real draft or young player value in return.

 

I know people here don't like Jalen Green but the fact is on the open market Jalen is probably worth north of 3 first round draft picks. Jimmy Butler is probably not worth 1 or 2 even though yes if you need someone to win you a playoff series today of course most people would much rather have Jimmy Butler.

So if you are trading Jalen Green for Jimmy Butler, Miami would need to compensate the Rockets with at least 1 if not 2 first round picks even if the salary outgoing from the Rockets is just considered filler.

Leave your fan emotions at the door, and think from a GM perspective. This deal makes no sense for the Rockets. FVV and a pick or young player for Butler is way more likely to happen because of the value exchanged is more appropriate to each team's needs.

 

You are delusional if you think Jalen on his current deal is worth 3 first round picks. You should need to leave your emotions out of it.

if anything his deal will require us to a a few first rounders in a trade for a star this summer.

 

The rational mind says you're both delusional.

 

I get it. I only commented on your post since you mentioned calling his bluff. I would definitely thread carefully around a player like Jimmy. We know the man is volatile and will make a scene to get his way. Even a team full of veterans like GSW would jeopardize their season tending to a player like Jimmy. I actually wouldn't mind if the Rockets traded for him, but I would definitely be concerned with Jimmy becoming a cancer. If you aren't planning on extending him at the number he thinks he is worth, then you have to make that very clear from the beginning and negotiate a number that you are willing to accept. If he doesn't like it, kick rocks.

 

I think a rebuilding team would be willing to gamble on Green figuring it out under their tutelage for a first-round pick. He only has two guaranteed years after this season and a player option three years from now.

 

You just said it. ONE first rounders pick and probably nothing in return. That’s far from 3-4 first round picks

 

Agreed. No one is paying three or four picks for Green, but I think the Rockets could get one and matching salary for him from some team. Basically, I think he’s worth about one first-round pick right now.

 

He wants to go to Phx because they're depleted of assets and will pay him what he wants just to keep him. Other teams may let him walk if he doesn't accept a cheaper deal.

Either way, I don't want him there and I'm happy the Heat don't want Beal. I'd probably be ok with a summer deal though since we don't have the Suns 2026 pick.

 

FYI it was BimaThug who said that in terms of comparable trades, he thinks Jalen would be valued around 4 first round picks. Of course, yes that was before he signed his agreement when he said that, but I'm not sure that it makes that big of a difference.

Keep in mind that just a season and a half ago, a team traded for a 29 year old shooting guard who averaged 23 PPG, 5 assists, and shot 36% from 3... while only being healthy enough to play no more than 60 games a season in the past 4 seasons.... and he costed you 43 million + a season for 3 more seasons WITH A NO TRADE CLAUSE.

The team that traded for him gave up:

• Chris Paul
• Landry Shamet
• Bilal Coulibaly (No. 7 pick, via Pacers)
• 2024 first-round pick swap
• 2024 second-round pick
• 2025 second-round pick
• 2026 first-round pick swap
• 2026 second-round pick
• 2027 second-round pick
• 2028 first-round pick swap
• 2028 second-round pick
• 2030 first-round pick swap
• 2030 second-round pick

...

At the same time Jalen Green is only 22 years old, his numbers while not as good are still comparable, has room to improve, is on a much more favorable contract, and is considered quite durable thus far.

I know it SOUNDS DELUSIONAL but if you've paid any attention to what teams are paying to trade for players like Jalen Green, it's really not that crazy to calculate that Jalen Green has trade value regardless if you are a Rockets fan, and are frustrated by him on a nightly basis. I get it... he frustrates me too, but it's just a question of data, and facts.... and the fact that the NBA and professional sports in general is very ageist. Everyone calculates against the biological clock, and it'll be the primary factor for Jimmy Butler being significantly less valuable in a trade than Jalen Green.