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Bregman has signed with the Boston Red Sox

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Rockets34Legend, Sep 18, 2024.

  1. IdStrosfan

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    I don't know who wants him back at all costs.

    I feel like I have been the most vocal at wanting him back.

    I also think I have been pretty clear that I would do the 7/$200M he is asking for if it was me, but not any more.

    7/$182 is what I have wanted as long As I have been talking about hos free agency (meaning the past 3 years).
     
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  2. vince

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    Santander would make it more palatable to losing Tucker from the lineup. I read that the Blue Jays offered 5 year 100 million, has anyone heard anything if that is true? I was thinking 4 years 80 million, but I may be okay with 5 years 100.
     
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  3. Tomstro

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    Santander could be 5 yr 125 mil
     
  4. 13 in 33

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    Bagwell was washed at 37 years old after his shoulder stopped working. At 35, he was still a beast. Mashed 39 HRs with an 0.897 OPS.
     
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  5. Hemingway

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    I'd rather have Santander at 5/125 than Bregman at the same. Then Paredes could play at his natural postion. Santander could play RF/LF. Then sign Winker for LF or trade for Robert Jr. and platoon LF/RF with youngsters. Of course, this would indicate the Astros are all in for 25/26 like reported (which I don't believe). What a lineup we would have and still have one of the best pitching staffs.

    VS. RH

    Altuve 2b
    Paredes 3b
    Alvarez DH
    Santander LF
    Walker 1b
    Robert Jr. CF
    Diaz C
    Dicenzo RF
    Pena SS

    VS. LH
    Altuve 2b
    Robert Jr. CF
    Alverez DH
    Walker 1b
    Diaz C
    Santander RF/LF
    McCormick RF/LF
    Paredes 3b
    Pena SS
     
  6. IdStrosfan

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    You would rather have Santander than Bregman on the same deal?

    The same Santander who is only 7 months younger, has only had 1 season of 3+ WAR, is actually SLOWER than Alex, is a poor defender, and is a bigger guy who will tend to age poorly due to his size (6'2" 230)?

    That Anthony Santander?

    My bias towards Bregman is common knowledge on here, but how can Santander be a better option unless he is cheaper in years or dollars?
     
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  7. rhino17

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    I think Santander for 5 years/$100ish would be a pretty good deal. That would make a pretty solid lineup

    2B: Altuve
    DH: Alvarez
    1B: Walker
    C: Diaz
    LF: Santander
    3B: Paredes
    RF: McCormick
    SS: Pena
    CF: Meyers

    *But honestly, I’m also not opposed to bringing back Bregman and saying **** it, w’ell figure it out. We’ll rotate everyone through DH and LF, even 2B (plenty of bad athletes, bad defenders, slow runners, have been able to play our short porch well enough over the years).
     
  8. vince

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    Thanks, you are 100% right. My bad, usually i try and research the facts, because sometimes my memory plays tricks on me. The falloff for Bagwell was so fast it was shocking, I tried and wipe it from my memory. But yeah at 35 he was still hitting 39 HR and at 36 he hit 27 HR with an OPS of .840. But age 37, that season totally TKO’d him from MLB - nevertheless he still hit .738 OPS in his near 40 games played that season.
     
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    According to former Yankees slugger Erik Kratz, Alex Bregman will sign with a team soon, but several teams have dropped out already.

    “The size of the contract has scared teams away from signing him. Yankees are off the list, the Astros are now off the list, the teams that he could go to are dwindling. I thought there might be a chance he’d go to the Phillies. Now you only have two teams and really one team is just onto everybody. I just feel he may have priced himself out of the market,” Kratz said.
     
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    I really don't want Santander. He was far better last season, but in the 3 years prior he was a less valuable player than Chas McCormick.

    Don't particularly like he idea of giving 100 million to a guy coming off a career year. If his contract was more in the Cristian Walker range than by all means. I never think WAR is a be all end all stat, but for a guy like Santander it tells a pretty good story relative to his flashy counting stats.
     
  11. IdStrosfan

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    Sign him to a 1 yr $30M deal + a player option of $10M w/ $5M buyout.

    • He gets $35M guarantee for 2025.
    • AAV is $17.5M
    • Will only need 6/$165M next offseason to hit his 7/$200M goal.
    • Can recoup some value with similar year but better start and return of BB%.
    • No long term commitment for Crane.
     
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  12. CinematicFusion

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    would be great but I think Bregman would want a 3 year deal similar to Correa with opt outs for first 2 years so if he gets hurt he’s protected and if he has a great year he is gone
     
  13. Major

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    Giving him everything he is asking for despite having no ideal place to play him now and while no one else seems to be offering anything like that sounds a lot like wanting him back at all costs. I guess technically it's not since you wouldn't offer him $7 billion over 1 year if he asked for it.
     
  14. IdStrosfan

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    And I wouldn't offer him $201M

    But I get what you are saying.

    As I have said, I am pro Bregman. I think he brings much much more off field value that is not being considered in these offers.

    I do admit though that with Walker and Paredes on this team, his value is reduced.

    As long as there are 2 likely and 4 potentially negative lineup spots he will have some, and it is not insignificant.
     
  15. BlindHog

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    The Astros do not need an infielder, they do need an outfielder, I do not think either is under consideration. The Astros have financial limitations and are in an overspent position for 2025 already.
     
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  16. Tomstro

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    Saying you wouldn’t offer him 201 kinda says you aren’t too comfortable with 200 either.

    edit: I now see your post where you say you wouldn’t offer him the 200 now. Sorry about that.

    I’m surprised Alex is sticking so hard to that 7th year. He already got his bag. This one, he’ll probably never spend. I guess it’s really not about money and more about his ego.
     
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  17. CinematicFusion

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    State / Required Contract to Match Astros

    Texas (Astros) $156.00M

    Florida $156.00M

    Massachusetts $170.70M

    Illinois $165.30M

    California $202.38M

    New York (NYC) $209.34M
     
  18. BlindHog

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    The Astros offer was made when they where looking for a third baseman. That is no longer the case. Do we know what his best offer is now with the Astros out of the picture?
     
  19. Jose Cuervo

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    Not to mention the loss of 2 draft picks and international money.
     
  20. raining threes

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    5 yrs is better than 7 yrs. Santander is the better hitter at this point in their careers. Santander isn't as bad as you make him out to be in RF. He certainly didn't embarrass himself out there and you know has actually played the OF. How much slower is he than Bregs/Parades?
     
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