Shams: Jimmy Butler open to being traded to Rockets Mavericks or Warriors

Butler is the only 'star' available this trade cycle with an open demand for a new team. Fox wont be moved until the offseason if even then.

FVV/Jalen/Salary Filler/Picks ----- Butler/Rozier

 

Why should they be fired? They picked Reed 3rd in a historically bad draft. It's like saying a front office should be fired for taking a guy 15 in a normal draft if he doesn't work out. If Jimmy didn't have his player option next year, I would do it in a second, if for nothing else to get FVV out of here. He is holding back Amen and Jalen. A starting unit of Amen, Jalen, Jimmy, Jabari, Sengun with a bench of Holiday, Cam, Tari, Dillon, Adams could actually make some noise. Miami is going to demand more than an expiring and Reed Sheppard and will probably get it, if they are patient. The beauty of FVV as a trade piece is that he is expiring, Jimmy is not.

 

Can we stop with the whole “they need to be fired over X random issue” stuff? I hate it so much.

 

I’ll go out on the limb and say that if it would only take FVV and a lesser asset or two, I’d do it. Replace FVV with Butler and we’d level up as a team.

 

in a vacuum I like the idea of FVV for Butler plus some seconds.... but i really worry about what it would do to locker room chemistry. Butler is quite the volatile figure.

 

I don’t think the Rockets will trade FVV for Jimmy and I don’t think cobbling together the 5 expiring contracts for Jimmy makes sense for either side. Jimmy simply makes too much money for the Rockets to make a real play for him. It’s a problem that most of the league will have when trying to make this trade. Jimmy has put himself in a no win situation.

 

Umm, FVV is better than Reed by a larger amount than Butler is better than Brooks and Amen. Until the Rockets offense doesn't suck when FVV is off the court, the Rockets can't trade FVV without getting a PG in a trade.

I get Ime is trying to get FVV off ball more. I get that shooting is important. It just is hard to overcome giving the ball to the other team 3 or 4 more times a game. I'd guess TS% for the team would need to go up 3 or 4 percentage points to make up for the increased turnovers without FVV or another PG while simultaneously not affecting the defense and offensive rebounding.

 

Young guys need someone they can look up to, Dillon Brooks had a bigger impact on this team than FVV.. Adding another alpha would only make the young guys feel even more confident...

 

Here another random scenario.

Personally this accomplishes a few things for some of the teams. You can throw a few picks in there as well. I stand with my statement that Miami isn't in a position to be able to really negotiate. They are still going to be a playoff team this year and probably want to strengthen their playoff rotation. They have Rozier, so know FVV is not necessarily the best option, but it's an option.

 

If I thought we were one piece away from contending for a championship this year or next year, I wouldn't mind him as a rental. Two things though--first, I don't think we're one piece away yet, our young core needs some playoff experience. Second, he wants max money, probably at least 3 years of it, and I think that's the main reason he's pissed at the Heat. I'm not giving him that deal for the latter half of his 30s. I don't believe a 38yo Butler on max dollars will help us win a title when our guys are starting to really hit their prime years.

So, the only way I'd be interested at all is if he costs essentially nothing, just salary filler and second round picks, that sort of thing. And even then, I'd have some qualms about it.

He makes much more sense for an aging team like the Warriors, Lakers, or Clippers. Personally, I kinda hope he somehow ends up on LAC and him and Harden finally win a chip this season (assuming we don't somehow surprise everyone and go all the way).

 

That’s not a realistic option at all.

Why in the world would the Kings want Ingram?

Why would the Rockets trade half of their starting line up and destroy any chemistry the team has built?

Also, be more realistic than “the rockets can just throw in some picks to make it work”. No they can’t. That trade works financially but does not make sense for any team in the trade.

 

I don’t think the Rockets look at Reed Sheppard that way. I think he holds immense in house value going forward, and Udoka is not going to let him go as easily as some folks on CFs might.

 

If we go FVV for Jimmy I don't even think that makes us better this year .

Has Jimmy even played this year ?

The dude is likely on his last legs . I can see him being better than Brooks or green this year , but scary going forward .

Maybe if you were sure about cam and feed you'd trade green (not with an asset ) to try and take a shot .... But Jimmy not playing makes you question what kind of form he can find the second half of the season

 

What do you mean has he played? He’s having a great season. 18 ppg on a .65 TS% while playing solid defense.

 

I wonder if Stone is considering taking on Butler to also keep him from the Suns.

 

Highly doubt we’re in hot pursuit.

 

Jimmy is an incredible basketball player and one of the best in the playoffs. But he doesn’t exactly address our big weaknesses. We have a backcourt problem and a shooting problem. Not sure why giving up draft capital for Jimmy makes real sense. Does Jimmy make us a contender? I don’t think so. He certainly helps us be more competitive. Could this also be about preserving the aggregate of expiring salaries? Can’t be because he can be a FA this offseason, right?

no good draft assets for a 35 yr old making $50 mil looking at free agency this summer please