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[NY Post] Trump wants to buy Greenland, again, after claiming US could take back ownership of Panama

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Os Trigonum, Dec 23, 2024.

  1. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    When you're wrong just either admit or don't respond

    Denmark isn't for sale, Trump brought it up so why is it wrong to question how and why this should happen?
     
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  2. Tomstro

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    You have no idea what’s for sale. Trump not even president yet. How can I be wrong? What am I wrong about?
     
  3. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    You're wrong that we are questioning this because we want America to fail

    Again I dgaf but I do wonder what his plans are and if he is determined about this
     
  4. Tomstro

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    Oh I’m not wrong about that. Love your country. At least “gaf”

    many want trump and America to fail
     
  5. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    You now care about something because Trump is making it an issue. Maybe Im not as informed as I should be but I've never heard anything about the US needing control of Greenland and I was making the point to you that you only care about it because of Trump, which is just as bad as rooting for failure because of who is president
     
  6. Nook

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    Greenland isn’t for sale. The US isn’t going to war with Denmark. Trump is just running his mouth to distract from Syria and other things.

    I am surprised by how many people think we are just going to buy Greenland.

    Whatever - if he some how purchases Greenland I’ll give him credit but that’s not happening.
     
  7. Nook

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    So - someone asking if Greenland would be a state is a stupid question - BUT - the idea of purchasing Greenland, which has a native population and their own government is a feasible and brilliant idea?
     
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  8. Os Trigonum

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    lol

    In Trump’s Mind, Greenland Is Just Real Estate

    https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/27/opinion/greenland-trump-real-estate.html

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    Can the U.S. really afford this gigantic ice cube? The Washington Post has estimated a price of about $1.7 trillion. But might Greenland’s 56,000 residents, who have the right to declare full independence from Denmark anytime they want, be tempted by a lower offer? Would the 57,000 residents of, say, Hoboken refuse a million dollars each to secede from New Jersey and join New York? Manhattan, after all, went for $24 in beads and trinkets, the Louisiana Purchase for $15 million and Alaska for $7.2 million.

    OK, so the “Buy Greenland” joke isn’t so funny anymore. . . .
    more at the link
     
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  9. Tomstro

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    Maybe not feasible. Who knows
     
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  10. Tomstro

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    I was obviously being sarcastic about going to war with Denmark. People that think we will are being ridiculous.
     
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  11. Tomstro

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    I’m not a Trump guy but I want America to succeed not fail. Many want America to fail under Trump.
     
  12. Os Trigonum

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    I have given up sarcasm for the New Year so I will gladly take up the pro-war mantle with Denmark . . . death to Denmarkians!!!
     
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    It’s almost a non sequitur to ask if we would make it a state. It’s a strategic point for us concerning trade and defense plus it’s rich in minerals.
     
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  16. pgabriel

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    I don't know what to this means as a response to my post. People's politics are guided by principles, my views on tariffs are guided by economics, not me trying to be woke
     
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  17. Tomstro

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    Well you were saying something about being married to beliefs and values and something about being better. We are in better hands than we woulda been with clown Kamala, if that is what you consider “better”.

    We shall see what happens
     
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    https://thehill.com/opinion/5057818-greenland-security-us-control/

    2 hours ago
    America's case for Greenland. It's key to US national security in the Arctic.
    by Matthew Shoemaker, opinion contributor
    12/28/24 8:30 AM ET

    As global competition intensifies and the Arctic emerges as a critical geopolitical battleground, the United States must assert greater control over Greenland to safeguard its national security interests.

    President-elect Trump's vision of American ownership of Greenland is not merely a whimsical notion; it is grounded in the historical and legal framework established by the 1951 Defense of Greenland Agreement. This agreement empowers the U.S. to significantly influence and potentially control this strategically vital territory, making a compelling case for action that Congress and diplomats cannot ignore.

    Historical Context

    The 1951 agreement was forged in the crucible of the Cold War, recognizing Greenland's critical importance to North Atlantic security. This pact granted the United States significant rights and responsibilities within Greenland, establishing a framework that continues to shape the geopolitical landscape of the Arctic region.

    Key Provisions

    The agreement's provisions grant significant authority for increased American control when national security is invoked:

    Military Presence: Article II of the agreement allows for the establishment of "defense areas" in Greenland, where the United States can construct and operate military facilities. This provision has enabled the continued operation of Thule Air Base, now the Pituffik Space Base, a cornerstone of American strategic capabilities in the Arctic.

    Operational Control: In cases where the U.S. is responsible for operating defense areas, American commanders have substantial authority, with Danish personnel serving in advisory roles. This arrangement demonstrates the trust placed in American leadership and expertise.

    Freedom of Movement: The agreement grants U.S. forces broad access rights within Greenland, including the use of air, land and sea spaces adjacent to defense areas. This freedom of movement is essential for maintaining effective control and rapid response capabilities.

    Infrastructure Development: The U.S. is permitted to "improve and generally fit the area for military use" without compensation to Denmark. This clause has allowed for significant American investment in Greenland's infrastructure, further entrenching U.S. presence and influence.

    Contemporary Relevance

    The geopolitical landscape has evolved significantly since 1951, but Greenland's strategic importance has only increased. A warming Arctic is opening new shipping routes and exposing vast mineral resources, attracting the attention of global powers like China and Russia. In this context, the provisions of the 1951 agreement take on renewed significance.

    Arctic Security: Greenland's location makes it an ideal base for monitoring and responding to activities in the Arctic region. The island's proximity to North America — just a few hours' flight from major U.S. cities — underscores its critical role in homeland defense.

    Resource Control: Greenland's rare earth mineral deposits are of particular interest to the United States, especially given concerns about Chinese dominance in this sector. The ability to secure these resources could be framed as a matter of national security.

    Diplomatic Leverage: The existing agreement provides a strong foundation for negotiations with Denmark and Greenland. The U.S. could argue that expanded control is a natural extension of its long-standing commitment to Greenland's defense and development.

    Legal and Ethical Considerations

    While the 1951 agreement does not explicitly allow for unilateral American control of Greenland, it does establish a precedent for significant U.S. authority within the territory. Any move towards greater control would need to be carefully negotiated with Denmark and Greenland, respecting their sovereignty while emphasizing mutual security interests.

    Potential Pathways

    Several approaches could be considered for expanding American influence in Greenland:

    1. Enhanced Defense Agreement: Negotiate an updated version of the 1951 agreement, expanding U.S. rights and responsibilities in light of new security challenges.
    1. Economic Integration: Increase American investment in Greenland's economy, particularly in strategic sectors like mining and defense infrastructure development.
    1. NATO framework: Leverage Greenland's strategic importance within NATO to justify a larger American presence and role in the island's affairs.
    The 1951 Defense of Greenland Agreement provides a strong historical and legal basis for expanded American involvement in Greenland. As the Arctic becomes an increasingly contested region, Greenland's strategic value will only grow. The United States, with its established presence and legal framework for operation in Greenland, is well-positioned to assert its interests in this critical territory.

    By leveraging existing agreements and emphasizing mutual security concerns, the U.S. can make a compelling case for enhancing its role in Greenland's future. This approach aligns with President-elect Trump's vision of increased American control over this vital Arctic asset, ensuring U.S. national security interests are protected in an increasingly complex geopolitical landscape.

    Matthew Shoemaker is a former intelligence officer with the Navy and the Defense Intelligence Agency and a former Republican congressional candidate. He served on the Russia desk as part of European Command and the NATO Intelligence Fusion Centre. He holds a master's degree from Mount St Mary’s University and is completing his Ph.D. in Nuclear War Strategy from King’s College London.
     
  19. FranchiseBlade

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    Not really key and not near as important as NATO.

    Pretending that it's a realistic idea and is a waste. I feel like these words are too much time
     
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    We should go to war with Denmark.
     
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