There is no narrative, just facts. Fox plays pg and has been playing that position since entering the league. I can understand people not wanting Fox but a big reason some of y’all don’t see his value is because you think he’s a shooting guard and he’s not. Y’all want him to replace Jalen when he should be FVV’s replacement.
We want to maximize Amen, most of us can see that he's a superstar potential, give him a chance to prove us wrong, just like Jalen had that chance to some degree.
I wanted to trade Jabari too, I take it back as well. He’s turning into one of my fav Rockets. He and Jalen are growing as players. I still think Jabari hasn’t reached his final form. I’m also not too worried about Reed’s shooting because of Jabari’s shooting struggles last year. It takes time to get used to NBA range and what’s considered a open shot in this league
im sorry but I don’t think that’s correct. Halliburton was the point guard while he was with the Kings; Fox was the shooting guard. Once Halliburton was traded, Fox took over at point. I agree with you that Fox is a scoring point guard, but I wish he was a better shooter. I think he’s a fringe top 20 player. Certainly he’s better than Jalen or Fred but not worth cashing in most of our assets for. If we are building around Amen and Sengun we need our guards to be good shooters. I dont think that’s a controversial take. I’m as frustrated with our backcourt as anyone. But I don’t think you make a desperation play and go all in on a guard that can’t shoot, and therefore, doesn’t help maximize your core players. for me, adding Fox only makes sense if the cost extremely reasonable. And I certainly don’t think we have the shooting on this roster to keep devoting the vast majority of our cap to non-shooters.
Fox was there prior to Halliburton and played the point. The Kings experimented with that backcourt and ultimately chose to go in a different direction, choosing Fox over him. So again, Fox has primarily played the same position since being in the league. I wouldn’t give up the house for Fox, but FVV, Reed, and picks might be able to get it done. Then go get someone like Brogdon to come off the bench plus utilize Amen as a facilitator as well. Cam is a scorer and if he can get the minutes we have someone in him that can light it up. I would be willing to let Tari go for a shooter as well. There are plenty of options to improve the roster and shooting and still keep our core, just have to get creative.
That’s cool and I agree he has that potential to be a superstar, but respectfully what does that have to do with my post? He could still shine if we had Fox here. If you are trying to say Amen should be our starting pg that is where I disagree. I believe he can help initiate the offense at times and be a secondary facilitator, but I like him playing the wings, cutting to the basket, being freed up to offensive rebound, be a lob threat, etc. He just needs more and more playing time to be maximized.
That’s the beauty of adding Fox. We get him for his prime years and as his prime fades, we can immediately pivot to Amen as he’s only 21 years old. Jalen will be entering that 27-30 prime as well. This is the one trade you gives more star power without having to give up most of your core. I don’t see how people not seeing the value in going in this direction as opposed to giving up the farm for Book or Giannis.
There's no beauty in adding Fox. Again, he makes too much for what he brings, which doesn't include shooting.
If Fox asks out, teams like San Antonio and Houston are the ones to watch. I’ve also heard rumors about the Lakers, but it’s hard to tell how much of that is just speculation because he’s a Klutch client. There’s also been talk about Miami, given his connection to Bam Adebayo. Who knows what other suitors might emerge, or which of these teams will actually pursue him if it comes to that? It seems like pure speculation throwing Houston’s name in there. I maintain that until we actually strike out on Booker, all of those Suns assets should be preserved for him.
We are 2nd in the west with the guys we have. Think about that. We can afford to hold out for the grand prize.
More than 1 frp is too much to give for Fox. He will also demand 50m+ to extend. If we wanted to re-coup our draft picks by trading him it would have to be at the trade deadline next year and we would have lost the trade. Amen gives you more than Fox at most aspects of basketball and is improving in the areas that Fox is better. Fox might be a great fit for some team, but not this one. I've been a proponent of getting Brogdon for 2 years. I think he could be had for expirings and second round picks or a highly protected FRP. If Cam can prove himself during this upcoming 18 game stretch that opens up a ton of possibilites for trades this year or in the off-season.
I've never gotten the fascination with him as he's always hurt. He's played more than 40 games once in the past four seasons.
I think If Jalen Green was actually consistently good enough of a shooter, say 22ppg on league average TS% and league average 3pt%, I would feel comfortable about trading for Fox. If Jalen is ass more often than he's not, like he has been his entire career so far, then I feel trading away majority of our picks for Fox isn't going to do much. It's more of a 1st round exit -> 2nd round exit type of move, not a move that make this team a contender. For instance, I think there's less upside to Fox than Trae Young, and most people here certainly didn't like Trae Young this past offseason. But always felt Trae has that HR potential that Fox does not. And the Rockets are not at a point where they can settle for singles and doubles with a trade like this.
If you are talking about Brogdon, it is because he is cheap and could be a valuable bench player down the stretch. If he is healthy at the time of the trade, it's a decent gamble. If Cam's resurgence is real there isn't a need for him at all.
We can agree to disagree about Fox, I believe he would have no problem fitting in here. I’m not going to act like I know all the ins and outs on the money side, but I think that would work as well. FVV’s contract would be going out (that’s 40mil plus right there).
Fox is better than anyone we have now, but he doesn't make us a better team. He can't shoot well from 3s either. He's not worth it if we have to give up a lot. I rather wait for a bigger fish (hopefully Booker?)
I would take Fox for a 1 for 1 swap with FVV because we're already paying more for FVV plus FVV's shooting is similar to Fox anyways. FVV would be a better leader simply because of his veteran presence. I wish so badly we could restructure Fred's contract for like a 6th man role on this team but I'm sure he can command a big contract from another tanking team somewhere. I think trading the treasure chest for Fox is a mistake. Dude has one all-star appearance in his 8 year career, one all-nba team on a fluke season (they were healthy all year while everyone else was injured in the west). He is not a leader, don't expect him for locker room presence or command the floor. He's a score first PG and he is just an okay passer. He is pretty clutch in the 4th but he almost always starts off games cold. He used to be labeled as the fastest dude on the court but he's since played a lot slower because he would go out of control if he ran too fast. There's a lot of risk trading the farm for Fox. I would only do it if we only gave up like Salary + one of Reed or Cam + minimal number of picks. Even then, I'd be hesitant because right now our team's chemistry and vibes are immaculate and I don't want to screw it up by adding a new guy. Keep in mind this package would still be better than whatever Spurs can put out because they aren't parting from Castle meaning they would only give Sochan in return + worse picks (Hawks are young, not tanking and Spurs are already a playin team).
