Shams: Jimmy Butler open to being traded to Rockets Mavericks or Warriors

That is FAR OVER PAYING
anything more than a book of Wet Food Stamps is overpaying

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Again multiple sources have said Jalen cant be traded. Its like saying you can beat Jokic 1 on 1. Sure it is technically possible, but it is almost impossible.

Theres no crazier thing that has happened in the NBA. His salary is 12M but other teams have to match him at 30M+ the 10% trade kicker. To have that kind of gap the team would have to be significantly below the salary cap which nobody is at including tanking teams.

Zach Lavine sucks ass is old and always injured. Cam Johnson ok but he took a 1 yr deal he wants the max. You want to pay CJ 42M a year? lol.

The right play with Jalen is wait out the year and then see in the offseason when he could indeed be traded. Maybe you cant stand Green but I dont wanna lose our guys for old ass and overpaid Zach Lavine or Jimmy Butler.

Why would you get tomball Jimmy when you could have had Devin Booker if you wait a few months? Makes zero sense.

In the NBA the only championships are obtained either with quality of quantity. Either we have Jokic and he hard carries or we have the depth of the Pistons or Celtics and we win with numbers. If we are paying tomball Jimmy or Zach Lavine or Zion Williamson or whoever overpaid lesser star is out there and the opponent is paying SGA, Luka or Jokic the same amount we have no chance to win.

Why you think Cp3 never had a ring and always chokes? He got paid the same amount as Lebron, Steph and KD when he was not at their level.

 

i want fox on this team

 

Fact 1: Last season Klay Thompson was traded in a 6 team transaction. Crazy things happen.

Fact 2: Again, technically Jalen CAN be traded. Who are the "multiple sources" that says Jalen has a trade restriction? I agree with you that it's doubtful due to salary matching but see Fact 1.

Fact 3: Zach Lavine is 29. Not old. Not saying I'm a fan, just saying there are players out there that are an upgrade to Jalen this season.

Opinion: I don't hate Jalen. But right now, he's clearly the weakest link and the Rockets have a chance to contend THIS season. It's inevitable that the Rockets need to shed/consolidate players. If you can swing a deal, why wait? There is no guarantee they'll be this comparative next season. So if you can do it without mortgaging the future, why not?

Regardless of Jalen's contract, the Rockets have 44mil of expiring contracts. So they can make that trade without including Jalen AND trade Jalen during the offseason, if that makes more sense.

If I'm the GM, I'm exploring all options. But I'm not in a panic to dump Jalen.
But if I'm the coach, at some point, I'm considering benching Jalen.

 

The 520 Podcast suggest DeAron Fox with Jalen Green in the backcourt. Fox basically taking FVV spot.

 

Using those expiring contracts plus Reed, Tari and maybe even draft picks to snag Fox.

 

Massive overpay for a guy that is a marginal improvement over Jalen. He can't shoot 3's so he will have the same impact on paint clogging. Amen is already better than Fox just put him in instead and save your powder for a real star.

 

Aside from the Kings imploding which is very obvious now. I watched their game vs Lakers tonight, altho Fox got his points his body language looked terrible. He is clearly not the vocal leader type and seems to me like he wants out on the Kings.

Another guy to keep an eye out for is Anthony Edwards, a lot less likely to demand out but TWolves have peaked. They are in cap hell and TWolves are destined to be a 1st/2nd round exit team with how they are built. Their role players are going to get paid in the off-season and they can't afford to keep them since they are massively overpaying Gobert. Ant seems to have a discontent quote for the media after every loss.

 

I would rather have Ant than anyone in the league. He is a perfect fit. I would give FVV, Jalen, Tari and all the Phoenix picks for him without a second thought. I don't think Minnesota has any interest in trading him. He would absolutely have to force it and would he force it to the Rockets?

 

Fug to the no

 

ESPN Trade Machine approves FVV for Zach Lavine pretty much straight up. Lavine's a better percentage shooter than anyone on the current roster and is on a run of good health, so... change of scenery context for a guy who's comparable in base athleticism to the rest of the young guns? Would Ime approve?

 

It seems odd that Butler left tonight's game after only 7 minutes due to "illness"?

 

Wolves are completely imploding as a team this season. Ant looks absolutely fed up, their coach is gonna get fired before all-star break or it's likely Ant asks out in the off-season. We can add to their misery in the upcoming games vs the Wolves. They also have one of the hardest schedules left in the league. Management definitely won't willingly trade Ant but same could be said for Booker, the Suns owner seems to have zero interest in tanking. Difference is at least the Suns owner isn't a cheapass whereas Wolves will throw away their WCF team to save a buck.

I think the best case scenario for us is, when FVV's contract ends, we sign DeAaron Fox as our PG and trade a treasure chest of package for Anthony Edwards the same summer. I actually think we don't need to break up our core for Ant. I can see a package of Suns picks, Rockets picks, Reed, Cam, Jalen, Salary getting it done. If we can keep Amen and Tari, it will be huge for our depth.

My dream roster for this team: Fox, Ant, Brooks, Bari, Sengun. Amen, Tari off the bench with some good ring chasers/vet mins/picks to round out the roster. I think this team can compete with OKC for years to come and is a real title contender. Keep in mind, Suns are one KD injury from falling into the lottery this year. They are already struggling with him healthy to stay as a top 8 seed.

 

With respect, if FVV goes out, a point guard MUST come back. We aren't winning games if we trade FVV for LaVine.

Green + filler for LaVine makes sense in that we upgrade Jalen to the best version of himself. But is that even the right move? We would be slightly better in the present, but does it make is a long term contender??

 

Dudes wanting to constantly tinker with a roster of children that have the NBA’s 2nd best defense. Let them grow up, sheesh. It’s like dorks trying to trade Alperen when he was a rookie for hot trash.

 

IIRC because of JG & Sengawd's extensions, we really won't have cap room this summer.

I do like the dream roster tho.

So in order to make that happen, you have to deal FVV while you can.

 

Under this scenario you would lose Amen. He is a max level player at guard and no way will he be willing to settle for a career at SF playing second fiddle to Fox and Ant. Fox is seriously overrated on this board. Ant might be had with that package, but he would have to force it. Minn is not giving up an MVP talent for cost savings. If you went after Fox it would cost you a couple of those draft picks and a max slot as well. He's already turned down a super-max.

 

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/st...ne-intel-2025-draft-bronny-james-cooper-flagg

 

I think many people don't actually understand why rookies just extended are essentially impossible to trade. So I'll just use your post here to demonstrate how such a trade would look like.

Jimmy Butler makes $48.8mil, and NBA trade rules for teams over the cap is salary within 125% of incoming. So a hypothetical Rockets trade that works under the rules would be Jalen Green as $12.4mil, Jeff Green $8mil, Landale $8mil, Adams $12.6mil for a total of $41mil, which is within the 125% rule. Now, from Miami cap sheet standpoint, Jalen make $29.6mil (average his 4 year salary). Meaning their entire incoming salary for the trade is $58mil, which also barely makes the 125% rule. Technically feasible... except Miami is $3mil under the second apron. So the trade will put them over. So yeah there is zero chance Miami will go over the second apron for Jalen Green.

From the trade, you can see that trading Green means the team receiving him is basically going to add $10mil to their salary cap number. Which means for most teams, they will be going from non-tax team to tax team, or tax team to over the apron team. It also means the trade must involve salaries in the Jimmy Butler range. If the Rockets wanted to trade for Fox for instance, they'd also need to pile on more salaries to match, rather than just a straight up expirings + assets for Fox swap. Given the punitive penalties that current CBA has for teams over the tax/apron threshold, no team is going to jump over all those hoops for Jalen Green. Unless the Rockets are willing to attach incredibly high amount of picks to cover the cost. Which makes no sense from the Rockets perspective. They're better off just eating his salary.

So yes, from a practical perspective, Jalen Green is untradable.

 

Just trying to understand... so in this scenario if Heat sent Kel'el Ware out (or contracts totaling $3M), the deal could work?