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Jalen Green will be the Rockets' Numero Uno

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by kpdark, Jan 2, 2024.

  1. MystikArkitect

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    It's still funny to me that Jalen can't even have good consistent games. Just streaky quarters where he scores 15-20 and inflates his whole stat line.

    I.e. he's a bench scorer like Malik Monk.
     
  2. GOATuve

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    Br I OKs signing was terrible. We agree on that
     
  3. Aruba77

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    I’m all for more slumpbuster games against bad teams to inflate Jalen’s trade value this summer. More please ;)
     
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  4. fchowd0311

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    Lol
     
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    His tied career high is against the Wolves. 41 pts.
     
  6. fchowd0311

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    You should be convinced 0/off stats don't matter. You cared about ts% as the main indicator of Sengun being better. Not on/off stats.

    Now they score at the same efficiency (adjusted for position, Sengun technically has a worse efficiency than Green scoring wise)

    So ya hypocrisy on both our parts.
     
  7. astrosrule

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    Now you’re going back multiple years to find one game…..outa the 11 times he played those 2 teams this year and last he was good once. The wolves back then weren’t good, so it doesn’t even help your argument.
     
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    lol trying hard on this. I told you I don’t care for on/off stats and I still don’t and I told you Sengun is having bad efficiency year. And still you come back saying hypocrite. I am at the same spot. I was convinced that on/off stats don’t carry much info about impact and I still think the same way. I am not the one posting stats only when they favor a certain player. You are that kind of poster, that was my whole point talking about on/off stats. Of course you can’t comprehend that because you think everyone is like you and I would use on/off stats because they favor Sengun now.

    you are the one whose argument for green is ‘Sengun is as bad as him’, which is wrong other than maybe purely the efficiency level and irrelevant even it was true.
     
  10. fchowd0311

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    That was the season the Wolves got Golbert and were ranked a top 10 defense.

    He's had great games against the Lakers with AD defending the paint. Great games against the Thunder with a cadre of good to elite defenders trying to stop him especially in the fourth and overtime.
     
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    told you guys he’s Jordan / Kobe.
     
  12. Roomba

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    I feel like if MJ doesn't break his foot in his second year he'd be top of this list
     
  13. fchowd0311

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    This you?

    This is the first time I mentioned Sengun. When responding to this. I can't find the irony in someone saying someone can't create their own shot when the username of their profile is a player with the same scoring efficiency as Green with a lower unassisted rate on fgs made? A center also who statisically should have a higher efficiency than a guard?

    If I can't point out obvious irony like this what is the point of life? :)

    Jalen Green since he entered the league has been near top of the league in shot creation rate(number of 'open' shot attempts generated on self created attempts)

    Green is just inconsistent in hitting them. A lot of his shot attempts is a simple open pull up threes from opposing defense playing drop coverage on a pnr. He's just bad at making these shots consistently.
     
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    I'm sorry, but as someone who follows the Kings, I must say that Monk is a much higher level player than Green. Not only is Monk more efficient, he's a legit playmaker. Green is inept at it.
     
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  15. fchowd0311

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    Malik Monk would not have anywhere near the same offensive numbers on this Rockets team. Ime has significantly higher standards in the requirements for minimum amount of energy spent on the defensive end. Malik Monk would be winded and not have the legs to do what he has done offensively on the Kings as he has never once in his basketball career played the level of defensive energy required by Ime to get consistent playing time under him

    He's also 26, an age that is your peak physical prime with 8 years in the league


    Monk at the same age as Green had a -2.3 BPM and -0.1 VORP compared to Green who had a -0.4 BPM and 1.0 VORP.
     
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    Catching back up with this thread…. So is “inconsistent’ the new go to descriptor for bad/poor when describing someone’s shooting ability?

    Reassuring to know Jalen and The Rockets aren’t bad shooters, just inconsistent ones.
     
  17. fchowd0311

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    I mean yes. If you just analyze basketball through a lense of analytics you miss nuances like is a player a fundamentally bad shooter and can be seen an every aspect from form to ft% vs a player who is considered streaky.

    A good way to exemplify this is how defenses react to a fundamentally bad shooter making a couple in a row vs a streaky shooter:

    If Amen makes two threes in a row, opposing defenses couldn't car less and will play the same drop coverage and double off him leaving him wide open and not closing out at all when he attempts a 3.

    When Jalen makes two threes in a row, the opposing team coach and defenders clinch their butts and now are worried if he's going to run of 20+ pts in a quarter and break open a large lead for his team from threes alone and start blitzing and denying entry of the ball to him at all costs. That is a good way to show the difference between a non-shooter and a streaky shooter... How does the opposing team react to you making two threes in a row?
     
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    Michael Jordan is clearly overrated. ;)
     
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  19. astrosrule

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    Even if you wanna go back to that version of the wolves with Russell, before they got good, Jalen still sucked in 3 of the 4 games that season. So in 3 years he had ONE good game out of the 9 times they played, and ONE good game against OKC in the 6 times they played. I don't understand how you view that as positive.
     
  20. DaDakota

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    Well we get the Pels again just after Christmas so Jalen has a few easy games now....


    DD
     

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