The “give me Harden over FVV” takes are embarrassing

harden makes everybody better, they need the experience and confidence to play in actual offense. idk what tf fvv is running

 

I am not trashing FVV so much as I find it weird someone would bring up Harden's past playoff disappointments, given the context of this particular thread. It's definitely a point I would accept if we were talking about Harden in the pantheon of top players in NBA history, but not in this particular context where he's being compared to FVV, and most notably a thread made THIS SEASON about wanting FVV over Harden. I personally don't have much of an opinion on FVV himself honestly. He is what he is.

 

Folks are crucifying Fred for some of the things he was brought on here....

Running the point quietly without much drama, not taking away shots.

The only detriment is his shot selection........

People thought Udoka straight out rejected Harden but on the contrary turns out, Udoka had a good conversation with Harden and encouraged Harden to stay on a veteran team.

Without the drama that usually breaks out here.

 

Sole focus thats why he was seen partying it up after a playoff loss?

Gimme a break man.

https://www.basketballnetwork.net/l...st-brooklyn-nets-should-worry-the-sixers-fans

Championship team? Where? Hakeems and Moses Rockets are the only championship teams.

You don't even know a team has to win a championship to be called a championship team? Sole Focus.

 

Well maybe you should keep checking because Morey wasnt even fired, he resigned saying he wanted to spend time with his kids then jumped shipped to Sixers. That was the feud because Morey lied to Fertita then jumped ship to the competitor in just 1 month.

So Fertita giving Harden an extension offer is a sign he didnt want to keep him? Harden was already making trade demands on his own if Fertita wanted him gone why would he even offer an extension? If Harden accepted that offer he would have been NBA's first 50M player so yes that was the highest extension im history at the time.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2020/11/james-harden-seeking-trade-out-of-houston.html

The more you post the more I see you got it all wrong. Morey got fired, Harden didnt get the biggest extension, Rox quit on Harden despite offering him the biggest extension, we got all our assets thanks to Harden trade, what else do you know thats wrong? SMH.

The biggest reason for our success is actually Fertita. as Fertita is the one who handpicked Stone and also hired Ime Udoka.

 

This is all irrelevant. Idgaf how he rejected him. This Harden would be perfect on this team and he could really help Green develop.

 

FVV contract is unguaranteed Harden would have been guaranteed.

We got a lot of young guys to pay. It was never about Harden vs FVV it was about who this team needs.

 

We wouldnt be able to pay Amen, Jabari and Tari if we had Harden. Some growth.

Not paying attention to salary is what casuals do, look at Minny.

 

The latter is relevant if it should come to another collaboration.

It is about building bridges......

If Harden wants a 1 or 2 year short term deal, he can have it.......but I guess the Rockets will dictate the terms and not Harden.

 

He will be 37 by the time he is a free agent, so 2 years is probably all he will get from anyone.

 

Hopefully Harden can gives us a good near max deal discount when he's 40. He can turn our young players around by having them in PJ tucker roles.

 

at that age Harden will be in the PJ Tucker role and salary

 

Tucker is in no man's land, wish he would find a team......he is like on paid leave.

 

I feel like there's a bit of an oxymoron here. He does take away shots sometimes because of his shot selection. I like Freddy, but he can be infuriating to watch at times.

 

You’re talking about bad influences. Jordan,Magic, a lot of great players used to party before/after games too.

I don’t like players partying over a “mamba mentality” either.
These guys are celebrities though, the best you can hope for is they at least work and don’t do anything stupid while they’re out.

You can’t average 36 ppg and be an mvp without work ethic.

Ime Udoka was apart of a team that had championship aspirations. The celtics had to let him go because of off court issues.

How do you say you have to win a championship to be called a championship team then say Moses Malone was a part of a championship team in Houston.

Harden would help these guys take the next step and our offense would be better off. All these “Harden is a playoff choker” responses aren’t voided but you have a ton of other players on this squad that have the ability to step up.

You can’t point it all on Harden for his short comings in the playoffs, every championship team has had other players step up in a major way. Brown last year for Tatum, Shaq with Kobe, big 3 lebron, SAS dynasty, Steph curry has had phenomenal help in his career. Narratives can change entirely from one game.

 

Can you please refer me to any reliable source that stated the Rockets were going to give Harden at least 3 years guaranteed at max money?

 

The past two seasons Harden average 18.3 shots per 100 possessions. FVV 18.7 shots per 100 possessions. Harden average 3.8 more FTs, so you can extrapolate that to 1.9 extra shots, but even so it's a pretty small discrepancy. I think you are still think of Harden as the Houston Harden and FVV was the role player on that Raptors championship team. They aren't nearly as dissimilar these days.

 

We know that the offer from Morey to Harden is a max contract. Thats why he and Morey fell out right because Morey broke his promise and pulled that max offer? If Harden would ever sign with the Rockets they would have to match that offer from Morey since Harden didnt know Morey was lying to him.

The offer from the Rockets never reached that point so why do I need to give you a reliable source from an offer that never reached that stage? Harden and Ime had a meeting and Ime noped and that was it. But if Ime was on board with Harden and talks progressed then Rox would have had to match Morey's offer otherwise Harden would still sign with Morey. We know Fertita offered Harden a 50M contract to stay just 2 yrs ago so why is it so surprising they would give him a max deal to convince him?

Can you give me a reliable source Harden would take an unguaranteed less than max offer from Houston if he got a max offer from Morey? Why don't you try to make an argument that makes sense?

 

You are confusing leadership with individual performance. Jordan is a great individual player but he was never a good leader or example for his teammates. He partied and gambled a lot and he bullied his teammates that played bad. He beat up and humiliated his teammates that played bad and would tell servers not to give them any food. Is that someone that will help rookies take the next level? I dont think so. Just cuz Jordan or Harden can party all night and drop 40 the next doesnt mean everybody is like them. Jalen Green already has baby momma issues he will be a lot worse if Harden taught him his strip club game.

Moses Malone won a championship his team is a championship team. You called Harden's rockets a championship team when they didnt even make the finals lol.

 

Moses’s rockets didn’t win a championship in Houston. Are you gonna back track and say that he won a championship elsewhere?

Your arguments are weak and you don’t believe in what you’re talking about.

I said a team with championship aspirations the Boston Celtics had to fire their head coach because of off court issues. Which is what you’re concerned about, off court issues.


Also you’re trying to be too picky and say that theirs only one good team a year which is the team who won the NBA finals, or do you think that every team has equal odds to win the finals. Out of 30 teams, maybe only 4 are seen as heavy favorites. Harden was a part of that in 2018.

Saying Harden’s not a good leader, when majority of his former teammates from the teams he’s “quit” on have high praise for him, sounds like you’re valuing your on opinions over NBA players.

That’s Jalen Greens fault, if anything Jalen Green would be a bad influence for Harden. Someone who’s been partying since he was 22 yet dosent have any baby momma issues like Green.