The “give me Harden over FVV” takes are embarrassing

I never said I wanted Harden. You can go over my post history and show I was for FVV over Harden at the time of the signing. I also had no idea what exactly would be the terms of a Harden/Rockets signing last year and I know you don't either. So perhaps he also got the same 2+team option offer from the Rockets. Perhaps he'd get 4 year max. Regardless they never agreed to any deal so it's not good to assume things that never happened as factual, especially in a post where you are accusing someone else of distorting facts.

My post was purely stating facts as they exist now, both in terms of Harden's efficiency this season as well as his defense. No one who is not delusional would say he's playing at the same level as FVV right now. He has been a much better player this season.

 

The Rockets traded Westbrook and Covington before the season. The starting lineup with Harden was Wood/Nwaba/House/Tucker. You'd really have to be drinking the koolaid from ownership to think they weren't moving on from Harden when they traded arguably the 2nd and 3rd best players from the season before. Just because they were holding out for a better package from his suitors doesn't mean they wanted to keep him for the whole year. He just accelerated the timeline and, mind you, helped the Rockets bottom out quicker and got that 2nd pick.

 

Ya i will always be grateful to him for asking out, we were as hopeless of a franchise as you can be at that point and he saved us.

 

The title of this thread is embarrassing.

 

Uh you realize Harden feuded with Morey because he didnt get his max that Morey promised him right? So if Harden was gonna choose us over Morey why would he sign for less than max? The facts are that Morey offered him a max so the Rox would have had to match that offer to get him to come here. Do you need that clip of Harden saying Morey is a liar?

FVV's value extends to more than his court play, its with him being Ime's biggest supporter and dawg on the court in terms of defense and hustle. Harden is undoubtedly a better player than FVV, what is speculation is the team would be better with him. Harden doesnt try on defense and he doesnt take pride on defense. We wouldnt have that defensive culture. Harden also is a bad influence, does too much partying, drinking and strip clubs. Remember how Danuel House was his boy? I'm sure House learned to be a consummate professional under Harden's amirite?

Harden is an amazing creator, but he isnt a catch and shoot guy he needs to be passing to catch and shoot guys. He doesnt play in a system he is the system. Jabari and Brooks might have a career year playing with him but the rest of our team are bricklayers there would be no synergy. If you remember Harden hated giving the ball to Dwight and just wanted him to shut up and rebound so Sengun would def be in trouble, maybe he gets traded for Brook Lopez straight up.

Btw do you admit now you distorted the facts when you said the team quit on Harden before Harden quit on the team? IIRC Fertita offered Harden the biggest extension in the NBA history thats how much he wanted Harden to stay. Maybe if you don't lie and fool yourself next time you wont have such a low opinion of our ownership and FO.

 

**** James harden

 

Nah it wasnt him that saved us it was Stone that saved us. Harden left us to sink with the oldest roster in the NBA and tried his best to lower his draft stock by wearing a fatsuit and throwing balls at JaeSean Tate.

He pushed for the Cp3 trade, pushed for the WB trade and then left us high and dry to join his buddy KD. Remember Morey traded our depth to get Cp3 midseason when we could have signed him a few month later all because of Harden. We ended up resigning him at the max anyway. Bet we could have used PatBev when Cp3 went down in the playoffs, huh?

If we had an incompetent GM we would have traded Harden for Ben Simmons and where would we be?

At the time I remember CF was clowning Stone Ns Fertita for not taking Simmons who was a 25 yr old multi allstar lmao.

 

The last time I checked, Morey was fired way before the Rockets traded Harden. So I have no idea why you care so much about the feud given it had nothing to do with the trade either way. Also, 2yr/$103mil extension is not the biggest in NBA history. Nor did that extension come with a no-trade clause. So again, these aren't arguments for the Rockets wanting to keep him. And even if they did, why would they trade away his best teammates?

Also, on catch and shoot 3s, Harden is 47.4% and FVV is 32.9%. So umm... yeah Harden can shoot 3s when he's catching the ball.

 

At the end of the day Harden would’ve made this team better. FVV is a fraud.

 

Cope.. no kawhi no problem

 

harden is a regular season star. every year people forget how much he chokes in the playoffs.

 

Well yes, and therefore I would rank him below the likes of LeBron, Curry, Jokic, and Luka. But this thread is comparing him to Fred VanVleet. I mean bringing up Harden's deficiencies when it comes to the playoffs in a thread about paying FVV max money over him is simply laughable. FVV's latest playoff series was him putting up 14/3/6 on 35% shooting. That's not him choking either. Because in Toronto's championship year, his playoff run was 8/2/3 on 39% shooting.

 

all i know about harden is that dude is the engine everywhere he goes. The engine blows up every year. he blames somebody, then he bounces. Harden will never relinquish power ever, and the team he is on will die with him running the offense exclusively.

We are only mad at fred because the rockets younger players (and ime's offense) hasn't been able to rise to occasion (yet). The core 100 players on the rockets will step up and fred will take a back seat. Rockets will be better for it than relying on Harden to dominate the ball into oblivion.

I swear yall forget all the 'wtf" harden did here. Dude was not going to save this team. Harden would have made it his team and we would be back where we started.

Rockets not even playing good ball and they are still top 5 in the west. beating and going toe-to-toe with the best teams.

 

The Rockets have existed as a franchise for 55 years. During this time they made it to the conference championships 8 times. 4 of those times, the Rockets #1 player was Hakeem. 2 of those times, it was Harden. And one of those times when Harden was the Rockets best player, they lost in 7 games against one of the most talented teams in NBA history. I get that based on your username you probably believe anyone who's not Hakeem is a scrub, and that not winning championships means you're a playoff disappointment. But I feel that being a fan with such lofty standards can make fandom very boring. Since you believe that if someone is not a historically top-10 NBA player, he's just another disappointment. I tend to be more optimstic as a fan and can appreciate players beneath the level of Hakeem, and can therefore differentiate between someone like James Harden and Fred VanVleet.

 

James Harden? The one with no children, no off court controversies, high praise by his teammates from all the teams he’s quit on. A bad influence, because he likes to party??

A championship team had to fire their head coach because of bad choices

A 21 year old has a kid with a 40 year old

And you’re worried Harden’s gonna take Jabari to the strip club too much.

Hardens done 6th man, Sole Focus, 3 headed monster, 2 man, back to sole focus. You know why, because he’s one of the greatest offensive players ever. He knows how to adjust when the offense is working.

Harden didn’t pass to Dwight cause he sucked in the post. The best thing to do would have been PnR which Dwight didn’t like.

Harden did quit because we were ass, unless you thought the big 4 of Christian Wood, Demarcus Cousins, John Wall and Harden were a championship team

 

Last game tells Fred is also a choker in crucial games. The worst Harden is still better than Fred.

 

If anything we need Harden to take Reed and Jabari to the strip club so they can man up.

 

I guess Im embarassed because I would still take Harden over super chucker fred any day of the week. As I have been saying in this entire thread. Ime made a mistake. HARDEN ISNT JUST GOOD HE KNOWS HOW TO DEVELOP YOUNG TALENT. People let their emotions get in the way too much to succeed in life sometimes.

 

Ime Udoka has no offense.

James Harden is the offense.

 

Except for maybe a handful of extremists, most reasonable people would not claim that FVV is a better player than Harden, even at this stage of Harden's career. The question has never been which guy is the better player, but who fits the Rockets rebuilding timeline.

It's easy to trash FVV when he is struggling at his shooting. But he is clearly playing below his normal capability. He was doing much better last season and most fans would agree that he was a perfect fit for us. Just because he's in a shooting slump does not negate that fact.